Police new head scarfs

Fenris said:
I could say the same about some of your posts Wannabe, such as how you seem to not care about the views of actual muslims in regards to head scalfs/caps and only care about the media pushed view of "ISLAM DEGRADES WOMEN!".
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haha, If i didn't care, I wouldn't have asked Spawn the questions I did ;)

As for whether they are media pushed views or not, My perspective of the way women get treated under islam law comes from experience. I worked in Dewsbury, and in a school which was 2/3 Muslim for a good 12 months.

I've seen how men treat women first hand, during 1 or 2 parent evenings. I'm not saying it's the case with ALL men. But a lot of the older generation are terrible with the treatment of women.

Women teachers, who get abuse from Muslim boys is another good one.

Please tell me where you bring your experience from?
 
cotton_flex said:
You hit with a nail there Hayley.

"I'm sorry but thats your opinion on the definition of degrading."

headscarf maybe degrading to you, but not to the women who wear it?
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I thought similar things, then again the original story is a bit of a joke really so I default to a pleasant and level (I think) 'so what' state of mind.
 
Fenris said:
I could say the same about some of your posts Wannabe, such as how you seem to not care about the views of actual muslims in regards to head scalfs/caps and only care about the media pushed view of "ISLAM DEGRADES WOMEN!".
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Exactly.

Just google some blogs on why Muslim women wear headscarf if you truly want to understand - no need to accept, just understand it before you pass opinions as facts.

You might call it oppression, whilst for the Muslim women they might call it liberation from prying eyes? For you, the miniskirt might be freedom/liberation. Whatever rocks your boat?

The arrogance is the bit when you assume that your views are correct and better than others.

As for doing it in this country, the freedom to do both is what makes this country great even with its problems.

As with all Muslim bashing threads in OCUK, things always go out of scope from the original topic. All it was was a sign of respect from the Coppers – which they are trying to earn from various communities. As it so happens this particular one was with the mosques. Nobody has converted and declared a fatwa on the coppers!
 
cotton_flex said:
Just google some blogs on why Muslim women wear headscarf if you truly want to understand - no need to accept, just understand it before you pass opinions as facts.

You might call it oppression, whilst for the Muslim women they might call it liberation from prying eyes? For you, the miniskirt might be freedom/liberation. Whatever rocks your boat?
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WOMEN IN ISLAM (UK Documentary) Watched it a while back and did gender geographies at uni but this is specifically on the UK and Mosques so you may want to check it out.

Channel 4 documentary tracks the struggle of Muslim women in the UK who seek equal rights to their male counterparts.

“uk muslim women campaigning to redefine traditional roles, starting with the mosques which has came to symbolise everything that is wrong with their community” ;)

“could allow British Muslim women to define their own roles” :eek:

“most Muslim countries would never tolerate such a public challenge” the documentary does not go into detail but a quick search uncovered Mina Ahadi who narrowly escaped execution before fleeing Iran. Her campaigning against the compulsory veiling of women resulted in the execution of her husband and four of her colleagues.

"Women want to get into the comities where the power lies, want women working in British mosques to deal with womens issues" :)

"Most women are suffering because they do not know their rights within Islam" Bingo!!!!

"All muslims have a wide range of beliefs but predominantly male interpretations of their faith"
 
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Oh dear. That's not going to down well. I predict it will be shot down with comments of biased media and C4 rubbish journalism.
 
Spawn said:
You really havent got a single clue as to what your talking about do you??...your about as worse as the extremists themselves who spout off their nonsense;).

Funnily enough if you had half a brain and decided to actually do some reading, you would see that a muslim woman has as many rights as a muslim man...in fact they are equal..now its not the fault of islam if men beat their wives and dominate them to the extent where they are second class citizens..a lot of the crap thats spouted off in the media is down to culture...not RELIGION but CULTURE;).
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Absolute rubbish. Read the Quran and the backdrop which is given so much time (Hadiths) and you will see that Mohammed did not view men and woman being equal at all. Its a myth that is pushed about by people who try and appease islam.

Tefal said:
Well as Christianity teaches tolerance the pastor/vicar/congregation wouldn't really mind his turban.
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Shhhsh, don't try and distinguish religions, thats not the way to do things. :rolleyes:

No self respecting Christian has the same principles of faith as what islam teaches. Compare the teachings and actions of Christ versus Mohammeds.

Pretty shocking.

wannabedamned said:
Actually, I never thought of that aspect of it. :\

So basically, These police women are being asked to wear the head scarfs, which is in essence a sign that women are still seen as being worth less than men.
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This is what it boils down to. Whilst im not a fan of islam, I belive in showing respect to people. Headscarfs show submission not respect.


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It makes me laugh me arse of at this country. It is filled with feminazi's who give the Catholic church hell in regards woman priests, we have queers who picket christian places where they dont bend over for them, yet do you see them at mosques?


Compare the teachings of Christianity and indeed Christianity in action today and then that of islam. Why are they not protesting the fact that homosexuals are getting killed in other countrys, why they are being forced out of communities in Britain?

Where are the feminists in regards the generations of woman being kept down?


Makes me laugh.
 
Not read all posts so I apologise if its already been said, But who is to say muslims expect this or the police are covering their backs to prevent offence that may never occur and lets not tar people with the same brush as we all know following a religion doesnt make you the same as every1 else who follows it :eek:

edit: also not all muslims where headscarfs its more to do with certain regions and their culture than religion in my opinion
 
System_ofa_Down said:
Shhhsh, don't try and distinguish religions, thats not the way to do things. :rolleyes:

No self respecting Christian has the same principles of faith as what islam teaches. Compare the teachings and actions of Christ versus Mohammeds.

Pretty shocking.


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I'm sorry what?:confused:
 
System_ofa_Down said:
Absolute rubbish. Read the Quran and the backdrop which is given so much time (Hadiths) and you will see that Mohammed did not view men and woman being equal at all. Its a myth that is pushed about by people who try and appease islam.
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What complete drivvel, i cannot comment on your view of Muhammad (pbuh) but the Quran does not even suggest women are to submit to anyone other than God (which incidently men have to do to)


This is what it boils down to. Whilst im not a fan of islam, I belive in showing respect to people. Headscarfs show submission not respect.
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Yes, submission to god if you want to get down to it
The same as men, they also have to wear a hat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01289/men-in-hats_1289760i.jpg

If you don't believe in god, who are you submitting to exactly.. if you dont think God exists the surely that is the same as submitting to no one?
You are however showing respect and understanding so are likely to be better recieved.

I also doubt they are mandatory, it doesn't even suggest it on the link the OP posted so i am not entirely sure where that is being read from
 
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anticonscience said:
Nice to see with the shoe being on the other foot it's so funny. :rolleyes:

And FWIW, I know a church would have no problem with a Sikh officer entering with his turben, I was trying to highlight how ridiculous this whole thing is. But alas it seems that failed.
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Christians wouldn't have issues with Sikh's. Muslims would have issues with women without headscarves. I'm just amused that anyone was trying to come up with arguments about Christian views when everyone knows, prima facie, that Christians have less exacting requirements regarding dress.
 
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