Had the car remapped today

MrLOL said:
thing is though i see no reason for it not to be true
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How about the public relations disaster of seeing your 'flagship' model handle like... well, not handle at all.

so pull the fuse and accidentally pull the fuse on the IDS+ system as well.
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You don't accidently turn your suspension off and not notice.

The Vectra VXR should be a VXR8 with the turbo 6 pot in it. It's a better platform better suited to the power but we all know Vauxhalls current idea is to slam loads of power through the front wheels of their average product range and the POWAH!1111 takes everyones mind off the shortcomings elsewhere. Certainly worked for the Astra.
 
[TW]Fox;14686661 said:
You don't accidently turn your suspension off and not notice.
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yes but its easy to pull the wrong fuse when they arent clearly labelled.

plus since when has top gear been in the business of being factual, heck they may even have done it deliberately to make it easier to show on camera that it understeers and what it looks like.

[TW]Fox;14686661 said:
How about the public relations disaster of seeing your 'flagship' model handle like... well, not handle at all.
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they didnt need to make this sort of stuff up to make excuses for it. They let people drive the cars at the VXR track days to find out for themselves. Plus at last years trackday the BTCC drivers were giving demo laps in the vectra to show just what it could do.

They've never made press statements about the top gear review as they had no need to. Plus, the top gear magazine review was much more praising. How do you explain the starting differences in oppinions from the magazine to the TV show ?
 
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I agree they can deliberately do things to make the show seem funnier/entertaining, end of the day that's the kind of show it is today. Fox, you are usually the first to denounce the TG show as a reliable source of car review....

I just remember Jeremy trying to get the linguatronics to work in the S Class when he didn't even set it up for his own voice, it took me 10 minutes and its actually a very impressive and accurate system, nothing like his demonstration. Also remember when he said the CL65 had way too much power to put down, he demonstrated this by holding it in a burnout from a stand start by pressing the brake pedal;)
 
this was my point

pulling fuses to make the car understeer more, to make it easier to demonstrate on camera that it understeers is exactly the sort of thing top gear do on other cars. S class is the prime example

The e60 m5 review is another. Of course the sat nav can be turned off.


by all means criticise the car after having driven it at the VXR track days, or having been for a ride in mine as its by no means a perfect car. But dont use the top gear review as an indication of anything other than top gear creating comedy moments for the camera.
 
ScottehBotteh said:
BMW use far more electronics for car control than Vauxhall.
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The car doesn't drive like a sack of crap with them all turned off, though. Infact in the hands of the right driver a BMW will drive better with all the electronics disabled than it will with them enabled.

But hey I see we are back onto BMW's again..
 
ScottehBotteh said:
BMW use far more electronics for car control than Vauxhall.
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I have stability control, ABS and TC

That Vectra has, ABS, TC, IDS, some form of EBC, so no, BMW don't, at all, ever.

Plus, the fact that I can drive my car with them all but off (bar ABS) and it feels very indifferent, even pushing on.
 
Actually, I think I've felt the CBC but maybe not in its entireity. If I have cruise on and enter a corner fast then the car brakes. M1 > M25 anti clockwise is a prime example where there is a massive right hander which says 50mph and I dive in at 70 sometimes. It brakes, then when Its more stable it picks back up again. It doesn't actually disengage cruise.
 
ci_newman said:
It understeers long before you get any torque steer :p I was watching the TG review of it this morning as it happens, and even completely stock you couldn't get any power down going around corners :p
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the thing that always makes me laugh about the FWD RWD arguement is this... People always claim that 400bhp FWD will be undriveable but really, if you mash the throttle in a RWD 400bhp car you will be going sideways/spinning. Is it really that hard to control throttle in a FWD car? No, put the throttle down progressively and the problems are solved. You just gotta change styles.


[TW]Fox;14686661 said:
How about the public relations disaster of seeing your 'flagship' model handle like... well, not handle at all.
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full throttle, full turning of steering wheel+the driving god that is Clarkson.... So what, a FWD understeers, a RWD car will be going backwards...
 
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Your curves look like that of a diesel ? thats cool!

really need to get the passat remapped too, just cant really be bothered!
 
Overlag said:
full throttle, full turning of steering wheel+the driving god that is Clarkson.... So what, a FWD understeers, a RWD car will be going backwards...
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this has gone far off course and into a FWD vs RWD argument

but ..

At least if you mess it up in a RWD car, you can catch the oversteer and powerslide it. If you get it too far wrong in a FWD you just end up oversteering all of the place and theres nothing you can do about it apart from come off the throttle

I'll say it again, none of the cars suggested were anywhere near the 13k i paid for my vectra. The only cars that would have been in budget would have been an e39 530i or an e34 330i. And my current vectra is faster than both of them in a straight line, and is comparatively quick enough in the corners in the real world for me not to worry about the lack of RWD.
 
E90 330i was in budget as well. Various 4wd Audi's also. Merc W211, etc etc. Infact numerous RWD cars. Why is this forum so obsessed with comparing everything with BMW? I wouldnt mind if it wasn't us poor BMW fans who end up getting it in the neck.

But still, if straightline performance and the subsequent pub bragging rights is what matters most in a car for you, you made the right choice. Personally the constant irrtation through the front wheels would put me off. Now, I don't hoon around everywhere and there are numerous better, more confident and more commited drivers than me on this forum but 2 weeks in a 275bhp FWD car was enough to tell me that FWD is for small hatchbacks and anything bigger should not be FWD. It constantly irritated me and most of the time I wasn't even nailing it around. Simple things like a quickish getaway out of a junction, etc etc.

FWD sucks in cars like this.
 
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