More evidence you should require a license to reproduce...

Yeah that's true but I think the point he was trying to make was that even though you are acknowledging the problem you are probably not going to take any action, so caring and not caring are producing the same effects.

Maybe due to my mental state I wouldn't be allowed to work in that kind of industry. I would love to work with younger people who have experienced a world of ****, due to the fact its less patronizing talking to someone who has been on the receiving end of similar abuse!
 
Let me guess under 24 and no kids?

Do you have children then? Go to any parenting clubs or similar meetings? I'm genuinely interested because you made quite a logical leap in the first post.

Maybe due to my mental state I wouldn't be allowed to work in that kind of industry. I would love to work with younger people who have experienced a world of ****, due to the fact its less patronizing talking to someone who has been on the receiving end of similar abuse!

If I sound patronising its because some of the replies hardly merit serious consideration. Maybe there's a genuine reason you've been barred, maybe not. I don't know. You don't have to discuss that on here of course.
 
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I support chemical sterilization.

The nazis had a much better way of doing it, they got people to fill in some forms while secretly blasting them with x-rays. Why the councils have not refined and deployed this technology at the local council and jobseekers offices while under the guise of being asked to fill in benefit forms I don't know.
 
Hardly. None of us are out desperately trying to save these kids with our keyboards.

It's all very well people saying they care but rarely does that ever translate to anything.

Most will have forgotten about this particular story in a week and you know it.

Interesting side story here...

I once saw an 'internet video' of an adult (child minder / maybe even a father) videoing himself scaring a young boy. My guess is the boy was probably about 4. He filmed himself talking to the camera and then showed the face of the boy it was clear he knew what was coming and look distressed at the idea of what was about to happen.

The adult then proceeded to scare the young child, who all the time was pleading in tears for him to stop. The footage ended with the young fellow smacking his hands repeatedly over his own head completely breaking down in utter distress. In the background the adult was laughing...

This clip was produced purely because the adult felt entertained by it. Worse still he posted it on internet sites, where even some other people were openly posting how funny they found it.

Personally I was shocked. If he was willing to video himself doing this - and the child was seriously distressed - what else was he doing to the poor kid...

I attemtped a couple of times to make some sort of contact with social services in the US (where the clip came from) to see if they believed they could do anything.... and you know what... I didn't get a single reply :(


Anyway, so I failed to make any progress at all... But you know what... At least I tried... Which - and I've encountered this many times in life - is more than most people do...



Do you have children then? Go to any parenting clubs or similar meetings? I'm genuinely interested because you made quite a logical leap in the first post.

Children? Yes, two little nuggets... And yes, as skeptical as I was before, once you've had children I'll swear you're more susceptible to stories involving children. Maybe because you can put it into context with your own kids.

Parenting clubs or similar meetings? Ummm, can't even begin to thing what you mean by this, so I guess the answer is no!?

Logical leap in the first post? Again, don't understand!? Especially when you're replying to my comment made to someone else... Confused :confused:


Anyway I wonder if my suggestion was correct :) The comment he made was typical of someone trying to get cheap (childish) attention so my guess is I am...
 
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Maybe due to my mental state I wouldn't be allowed to work in that kind of industry. I would love to work with younger people who have experienced a world of ****, due to the fact its less patronizing talking to someone who has been on the receiving end of similar abuse!

I don't agree with what he says, I was just trying to clear up incase you misunderstood. I don't think that this license is a good idea, it won't stop child abuse, I think that the abusers are so sadistic that they are not going to make it obvious of their intentions when they apply for the license. I think the social services just need to start doing the job they are paid to do.
 
I haven't got children for my own reasons, but I do have two nephews who I care about enormously so I don't see what having children has got to do with anything, its about being human!
 
for me, the worrying thing is the fact that the mother is 20 years old, has a 3 year old sone so realistically, most likely would have conceived the child at 16 :/ and still has no idea how to handle their own child
 
What a ridiculous attitude you have, what has it not translating to action got to do with the ability to care about it. When we stop caring about it THEN there will be trouble.

There is already plenty of trouble to be getting along with. And how do you know what my attitude is? Rather large leap of faith there.

Keyboard warrior comments are getting really tiring and unless people are actually going to follow through on what they say, then its just empty words.

I'm fed up with reading and hearing finger-pointing comments where people simply use their self-righteous rage to take a moral high ground against others and that somehow validates them as an upstanding person when it fact they're doing nothing more in real terms than that heartless uncaring 'scumbag' whose attitude they're so opposed to.
 
I haven't got children for my own reasons, but I do have two nephews who I care about enormously so I don't see what having children has got to do with anything, its about being human!

It has plenty to do with the OP, I was asking him as I quoted him specifically.

As for being human, humans have flaws. Humans are never black and white creatures. I'm going to leave it there now, because I'm just repeating myself.
 
I'm fed up with reading and hearing finger-pointing comments where people simply use their self-righteous rage to take a moral high ground against others and that somehow validates them as an upstanding person when it fact they're doing nothing more in real terms than that heartless uncaring 'scumbag' whose attitude they're so opposed to.

Understand your comment completely, but your conclusion is somewhat cutting/unfair surely! Showing empathy in itself shows you are instantly far above some of these dreadful people. Seriously, leaving a 3yr old all alone to cry themselves to sleep... :(:eek: Just don't understand the mindset that allows someone to be so uncaring - What's gone wrong :(
 
Anyway I wonder if my suggestion was correct :) The comment he made was typical of someone trying to get cheap (childish) attention so my guess is I am...

So? Are you comparing me to those people who would post harsh comments on such a video or someone who wouldn't pay attention to something like that if it came up?

Is everything in such absolute terms to you?

Understand your comment completely, but your conclusion is somewhat cutting/unfair surely! Showing empathy in itself shows you are instantly far above some of these dreadful people. Seriously, leaving a 3yr old all alone to cry themselves to sleep... :(:eek: Just don't understand the mindset that allows someone to be so uncaring - What's gone wrong :(

But to me showing empathy involves action. If you do actually do something then fair enough but those that are very vocal about their clean-minded ways are worse in my mind than those who claim not to care. You're also making a similarity between those normal people who do nothing (which is everyone) and those who actually perpetrate these crimes.

And they are crimes I agree, of irresponsibility, neglect and sometimes abuse. But its not like I'm the one whose doing it. I don't even want to have kid's ever. I have no interest in becoming a parent let alone an irresponsible, uncaring one.
 
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There is already plenty of trouble to be getting along with. And how do you know what my attitude is? Rather large leap of faith there.

Keyboard warrior comments are getting really tiring and unless people are actually going to follow through on what they say, then its just empty words.

I'm fed up with reading and hearing finger-pointing comments where people simply use their self-righteous rage to take a moral high ground against others and that somehow validates them as an upstanding person when it fact they're doing nothing more in real terms than that heartless uncaring 'scumbag' whose attitude they're so opposed to.

You are the true stereotype of the typical cynical, vulkan-like spod that infects forums, albeit thankfully in relatively small numbers. There seems to be a large chip on your shoulder, and you probably don't even realise it. Nice rant, but that doesn't change the fact you don't really have a point by saying that people who say they care about something are as bad as people who don't, just because they don't run off and physically save the worls. That is ludicrous logic.
 
So? Are you comparing me to those people who would post harsh comments on such a video or someone who wouldn't pay attention to something like that if it came up?

Is everything in such absolute terms to you?
I'm confused... I'm not sure if you've confused a post as being directed at you or not... 'Absolute terms?' Huh!?

Why are you being so confrontational?



But to me showing empathy involves action. If you do actually do something then fair enough but those that are very vocal about their clean-minded ways are worse in my mind than those who claim not to care. You're also making a similarity between those normal people who do nothing (which is everyone) and those who actually perpetrate these crimes.

And they are crimes I agree, of irresponsibility, neglect and sometimes abuse. But its not like I'm the one whose doing it. I don't even want to have kid's ever. I have no interest in becoming a parent let alone an irresponsible, uncaring one.
Fair enough, but I don't fully agree. I'd suggest ignoring and saying nothing about a problem is in someway endorsing it... It's akin to sweeping it under the carpet really.
 
While I do think it's terrible that child neglect exists this type of thread is really common on this forum. It would be less pointless if there were discussion of the sociological issues that allow such cases to occur. As it goes you're all pointlessly tutting on the internet and it is easy to interpret such as self-gratifying.
 
Lets make it so only millionaires can pro-create, people earning less aren't giving their children a good enough life.

NO! lets make it so that only people who can support themselves and a family can bring children into the world; that'll bring a few more into the equation :)
 
NO! lets make it so that only people who can support themselves and a family can bring children into the world; that'll bring a few more into the equation :)

In the case of the women whose first 13 kids are in care, and now she's having number 14... her husband gave up his job (pizza delivery) 18 years ago... :rolleyes:
 
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