Anyone explain ATI & NVidia fanboys?

[ray liotta]

I don't get it, like a bunch of deluded football fans. Does anyone else get annoyed reading fanboys deluded comments aimed at each other.

Why are people even fans of either surely a case of getting a card that offers most value & performance for you.

This new story of "Nvidia renames 2xx parts to 3xx" IF it's true, why would anyone not only defend them, but still choose them over ATI's DX11 cards??

Seriously are people that stupid? If so no wonder Nvidia act like this, enough fools to buy them, i bet half these fanboys on either side, would buy a turd if it had a ATI or Nvidia sticker slapped on it.

 

[AWBbox]

I hear that, however I do have manufacturer loyalty. For example if I chose to buy an nvidia card I would go out of my way to get one by BFG because I have had good experiences by them. I wouldn't however buy an nvidia card just because of BFG. I'm sure it's important to look at every product out there with as little subjectivity as possible.

 

[Final8y]

If NV offers features that's important to the individual then no matter what a they do a user has little choice than to buy regardless & that's why NV puts so much effort into its propriety features CUDA,Phyxs, NV 3D vision & drags its feet on the standard APIs that anyone can use.

 

[reflux]

I've always had a preference toward Nvidia cards, for a variety of reasons;

• They tend to be a bit better looking
• They often have better coolers
• I prefer the actual branding

- but that does not stop me from buying an ATi card when it is well-priced and performs well.

In the past few years I've had an X1950, an 8800GTS 320mb, a 3870, two 3870s in CrossFire, an 8800GTS 512mb, a 9800GX2, a 4870X2, two GTX280s, two 4890s and a GTX260.

Indeed, this is how everyone should feel - after all, where on earth is the cause of any brand loyalty? It's not as if either Nvidia or ATi are responsible for customer service for example - the AIB partners handle that, so realistically loyalty comes from an inexplicable total attachment to a brand that provides very little tangible difference to its competition.

I get so sick of people whining on about either brand in a negative light - just buy the best that you can afford and enjoy gaming - you know, the reason you bought the card in the first place.

I guess part of the problem is caused by Nvidia in particular, who often seem keen to take cheap shots at their rivals, particularly Intel. Fanboys pick up on this, and jump on the fail train, banging on about every little tiny deficiency in the opposing product. It's much the same as the home console market - Sony and Microsoft are constantly flipping each other the bird.

Whilst it emphasises the strong competition that exists in the market, it does nothing for the consumer, who ends up either confused or flamed for naively talking about a favourite product in the wrong way.

 

[ray liotta]

I understand that, im like that with Samsung TV's, ive had a few and love them had no problems, so i would stick with them.

But certainly not if the next gen TV's where crap or rebranded ones or if way overpriced(poor example but you get my point).

Not so bad on this forum, more on the other ones, drives me nuts.

 

[Borden]

I know what you mean.

Personally, I prefer ATi as a company (due to the stupid antics of nVidia sometimes) and prefer their drivers over nVidia's. However, i don't let this influence my choice of card and i usually go for the one which offers the best price/performance in my price bracket. My 8800GTX was the best card i've ever owned.

 

[kylew]

In my opinion, what you get most of the time are only really nVidia fanboys. You do get ATi fanboys, but it's mainly nVidia.

My theory behind this is that, due to nVidia's proactive marketing, most 'computer noobs' are only really exposed to nVidia, and it's all they know.

They have an nVidia card, and want it to be the best, so add that to their complete lack of knowledge, anti ATi propaganda by nVidia, as well as some of 'their mates' who are also nVidia fanboys for the same reasons.

What I've noticed around here over the last few months mostly, is the rise of accusing people of being ATi fanboys because they criticise nVidia.

The stunts nVidia are pulling are more than worthy of criticism.

The complaints put against nVidia are universally the same. They overprice, they're sneaky, they're liars, rip offs, dishonesty, they try to sabotage their competition. Renaming/rebranding.

The complaints against ATi are usually:

nVidia is better, their hardware is quality and premium, ATi drivers suck, they always have problems, their hardware is poor quality, they're cheaper because they're bad quality. Regardless of what you say, you do actually have problems with your ATi cards, nVidia don't have problems with hardware or software.

If you follow my point, I'm not saying it's a case of 'us and them' but that immature kids who only listen to others to form an opinion will usually become nVidia fanboys, when they mature out of this behaviour, they'll realise their stupidity and buy the hardware with more value for money, not just because it says nVidia.

Any complaints against nVidia are about the way they run their business, any complaints against ATi are usually pro-nVidia complaints.

 

[Rroff]

nVidia fan boys tend to be unashamedly so... ATI ones for some reason try to hide behind a stance of neutrality... not sure whats worse really.

Personally I see nVidia as the easiest to live with (not the lesser) of 2 evils.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I think kyle got it spot on.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Seriously are people that stupid?

Yes im afraid so.

 

[kylew]

nVidia fan boys tend to be unashamedly so... ATI ones for some reason try to hide behind a stance of neutrality... not sure whats worse really.

Personally I see nVidia as the easiest to live with (not the lesser) of 2 evils.

A lot of people around here think you're an nVidia fanboy though, so I suppose not many people are going to take this post so seriously.

 

[Rroff]

A lot of people around here think you're an nVidia fanboy though, so I suppose not many people are going to take this post so seriously.

way to shoot yourself down

 

[sturmtruppe]

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/08/28/nvidia-renames-2xx-parts-3xx/

article about nvidia renaming parts to 300 seems a load of tripe. All "if", "but" and "looks like" statements, no actual evidence or source for this info.

I stick with nvidia cards due to having bad experience with an ati card. Out of the 10 or so cards ive had, it was the firt ati i owned & it was a disaster. Since then i just stick with nvidia.

Mainly due to the 10 year warranty and quality of cards that bfg offer, so i stick with their cards.

Also Nvidia's unified drivers are worth paying for, the features are immense and so easy to use & install.

I would consider myself advanced level 9 fanboy because i seem to know what im talking about.

 

[kylew]

way to shoot yourself down

My point still stands though. A lot of people criticise you for contradicting yourself between threads.

You act as if you're a games dev, but refuse to divulge any information which would actually support your claims, which is fair enough. You're entitled to your privacy, but you still appear to criticise anything positive about ATi/AMD.

 

[kylew]

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/08/28/nvidia-renames-2xx-parts-3xx/

article about nvidia renaming parts to 300 seems a load of tripe. All "if", "but" and "looks like" statements, no actual evidence or source for this info.

I stick with nvidia cards due to having bad experience with an ati card. Out of the 10 or so cards ive had, it was the firt ati i owned & it was a disaster. Since then i just stick with nvidia.

Mainly due to the 10 year warranty and quality of cards that bfg offer, so i stick with their cards.

Also Nvidia's unified drivers are worth paying for, the features are immense and so easy to use & install.

I would consider myself advanced level 9 fanboy because i seem to know what im talking about.

A perfect example of a fanboy spouting nonsense.

You had one ATi card that you couldn't get working so you label them all the same?

You can't have much computer experience otherwise you wouldn't be buying anything any more.

With computers, difficulties are to be expected, it's simple. To have one situation where you couldn't work something, which then puts you off a brand is ridiculous.

What's your opinion on all those failed nVidia laptop GPUs? By your logic, you'd stay away from nVidia too based on the amount of hardware failures they've had with their laptop chips.

There are people who say the same about nVidia too, it's nonsense.

You aren't paying more money for better 'unified drivers'. You're paying more money because they're ripping you off.

 

[Voxination]

A large proportion of nVidia fans also seem to base it on, as kyle said, bad experience with an ATI card.

I had a lot of problems with an old 9550, swapped over to a 7300 and had none (Was BSODs etc) but from what I gather, ATI's drivers weren't the best at that time and have matured a lot recently. I then originally had planned to use a 4890 in this build, however as they were only recently released along with the 275, they were £200~ and just out of budget. Then upon checking clearance lines noticed a GTX280 for £210, and went straight for it and broke my budget, simply paid for it in the long run thinking I had got a wicked deal.

A month or so after I heard OCed 4890s beating GTX280s and kicked myself. Then I remembered that my motherboard could run CrossFireX. I kicked myself again, then realised that while getting 100FPS+ on most games anyway, it wouldn't have made a difference and went to play some TF2 lol.



ATI HD58xx series looks set to win over a few fanboys though I think, especially with nVidia doing an nVidia.

 

[Alex74]

I would consider myself advanced level 9 fanboy because i seem not to know what im talking about.

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But yes, I had a very bad experience with a 7900gs.
Given that I havent had another NVidia card since an MX400, should I never buy one again?

It's as said above, people are put off maybe by a single experience. Nobody on this forums should be unaware of the simple fact that computer parts are not perfect. They fail, sometimes even DOA. It happens.

Companies like NVidia and ATi arent built by marketing defective hardware..

 

[Final8y]

If people want to stay with a brand due to good experience with them then i have no problems with that as the users feels confident in what to expect from future products from that company.

My Pioneer KURO pdp-lx5090 was faulty from the day i got it, it got promptedly fixed with a new mainboard, its my first Pionner product but i would not think for a second of not buying from Pionner because of one bad personal experience.

 

[kylew]

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But yes, I had a very bad experience with a 7900gs.
Given that I havent had another NVidia card since an MX400, should I never buy one again?

It's funny, because people like him will then claim that 'Oh, that was a one off' because it makes their claims look like rubbish.

I don't buy nVidia because I'm against what they do as a company, so therefore I'm not going to support their acts by giving them my money.

It's got nothing to do with the cards they make or their drivers.

If I was given an nVidia 295 for free, I know I wouldn't be complaining, I'd use it or sell it for a 5800 based card.

 

[kylew]

If people want to stay with a brand due to good experience with them then i have no problems with that as that one feel confident in what to expect from future products from that company.

My Pionner KURO pdp-lx5090 was faulty from the day i got it, it got promptedly fixed with a new mainboard, its my first Pionner product but i would not think for a second of not buying from Pionner because of one bad personal experience.

That fits in with my theory of it being noob kids who are nVidia fanboys, They try ATi and rage quit because of something, for all they know it could be because they don't know what they're doing, or remnants of nVidia drivers causing problems.

If I have an issue with a graphics card, I'm mature enough to understand that it's not a reflection on the brand itself.