worth getting a SSD?

Samsung based drives are not user upgradeable, there performance over time is terrible and they dont perform well in benchmarks out of the box.

Take the time to read that article I posted and you would need to ask any of these questions.
 
Samsung based drives are not user upgradeable, there performance over time is terrible and they dont perform well in benchmarks out of the box.

Take the time to read that article I posted and you would need to ask any of these questions.

i did read it, and unfortunately i didn't necessarily understand most of it.
 
Sorry, it is quite a bit of new jargon to get your head round. Put it this way when they are back in stock my macbook pro is getting the 128GB crucial, unless I see anything to persuade me not to, or I get some more ££ in.

If it were for my desktop it would be the 64GB version due to it just being used for install and apps. the current Samsung 640GB would become the media/anything else drive
 
Sorry, it is quite a bit of new jargon to get your head round. Put it this way when they are back in stock my macbook pro is getting the 128GB crucial, unless I see anything to persuade me not to, or I get some more ££ in.

If it were for my desktop it would be the 64GB version due to it just being used for install and apps. the current Samsung 640GB would become the media/anything else drive

from what i understand with that article, and the other threads on the forum, is that defragging is very bad? and i need to use TRIM to keep them running ok? but the problem is vista/some mobos and hardware don't have it? and if i Mix SSDs with harddrives i have to set some to defrag and not others?

am i on the right track?
 
TRIM hasnt really taken off yet so I would really worry about it to be honest just buy a drive that is user upgradeable so you can be ready when TRIM or another function is mainstream.

But yes what you have said is essentially correct from what I have read, you don't defrag an SSD in windows, it does its organising for you. So you defrag your hardisk's and use a wipe tool on your ssd's (or do naff all when TRIM support is standard)
 
How do SSDs compare, reliability-wise, with standard hard disks?

I read an article which stated there is evidence to suggest that SSD failure rates are much higher than HD failure rates.
 
How do SSDs compare, reliability-wise, with standard hard disks?

I read an article which stated there is evidence to suggest that SSD failure rates are much higher than HD failure rates.

The link posted above answers that, i think :S lol
 
What are SSD's like for heat output? im seriously considering getting one for my Clevo M860TU ( ultima 15.4") as my WD Scorpio black 7200rpm kicks out loads of heat, which id like to try and cut down on.
 
Samsung based drives are not user upgradeable, there performance over time is terrible and they dont perform well in benchmarks out of the box.

I think that's being a little harsh, Their performance in PCMark has always been chart topping - I'm a bit sceptical nowadays about how much use a 4k benchmark is in gauging just how good an SSD is in day to day use. It certainly helps to be good at 4k, but all the real life and general purpose benches don't seem to care about that much past a certain point.

Despite that, at their current price point the Samsungs aren't as good value for money as the Crucial Indilinx drives thanks to slightly worse Garbage collection (they lose around 10% of new performance in a used state after GC, as opposed to getting back to almost new performance )

Taking this into consideration I feel they need to undercut Indilinx by at least 10%, which they do manage apart from the m225 range.

Still, If you arn't prepared to wait for Crucials to get back in stock It's hardly the end of the world to get a Samsung instead.
 
I think that's being a little harsh, Their performance in PCMark has always been chart topping - I'm a bit sceptical nowadays about how much use a 4k benchmark is in gauging just how good an SSD is in day to day use. It certainly helps to be good at 4k, but all the real life and general purpose benches don't seem to care about that much past a certain point.

Despite that, at their current price point the Samsungs aren't as good value for money as the Crucial Indilinx drives thanks to slightly worse Garbage collection (they lose around 10% of new performance in a used state after GC, as opposed to getting back to almost new performance )

Taking this into consideration I feel they need to undercut Indilinx by at least 10%, which they do manage apart from the m225 range.

Still, If you arn't prepared to wait for Crucials to get back in stock It's hardly the end of the world to get a Samsung instead.

It would be a complete waste of money if you plan using it with windows 7 at least, without user upgradeability and thus no TRIM function.

And to be honest any other operating system as eventually they will all have some kind of wiping function TRIM or similar.

Please link to the chart topping performance in PC mark as as far as I'm aware Samsung controlled devices don't fair particularly well.

look at this page http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631&p=23

and the next for used performance with a Samsung controller.
 
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I plan to get 2x crucial 128gb and raid 0 them as i think this will be really fast :). As for memory ive had 2x 150mb HDs for 4 years and never used up all the memory ive got 60gb on 1 and im a gamer. I have had to uninstall a few games and apps now and then to keep it this way but there only old games i never play soi dont keep them on. so 2x 12gb in raid will be fine for me. Then in the future should SSds get much cheaper an larger i will put 1 in and have it as a back up drive or do a reinstall and use the 2x crucal for back up depending what i want really.

What are SSD's like for heat output? im seriously considering getting one for my Clevo M860TU ( ultima 15.4") as my WD Scorpio black 7200rpm kicks out loads of heat, which id like to try and cut down on.
SSDs have very litle heat output theres no moving parts so theres very low power needed and very little heat given off.
 
It would be a complete waste of money if you plan using it with windows 7 at least, without user upgradeability and thus no TRIM function.

And to be honest any other operating system as eventually they will all have some kind of wiping function TRIM or similar.

Please link to the chart topping performance in PC mark as as far as I'm aware Samsung controlled devices don't fair particularly well.

look at this page http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631&p=23

and the next for used performance with a Samsung controller.


It's on that page - the "out of the box performance" as you put it has the Samsung based Summit ahead of all the stock Indilinx drives. And as I said used performance is around 10% worse under worst case used conditions - which is unfortunate, but hardly "terrible" or a "complete waste of money".

Once a price cut comes in to make it more competitive with the m225's it will be a perfectly sensible choice.
 
It's on that page - the "out of the box performance" as you put it has the Samsung based Summit ahead of all the stock Indilinx drives. And as I said used performance is around 10% worse under worst case used conditions - which is unfortunate, but hardly "terrible" or a "complete waste of money".

Once a price cut comes in to make it more competitive with the m225's it will be a perfectly sensible choice.

So yes its not chart topping (Intel) as you said originally, its mid way up the chart whilst brand new, as soon as its used it falls to the bottom and with no possible automatic method of wiping the SDD and restoring some of its out of the box glory (the upgradeable firmware and thus TRIM issue).

Making it a complete waste of cash when you could buy an Indilinx based drive for less money with upgradeable firmware and generally better overall performance.
 
SSDs have very litle heat output theres no moving parts so theres very low power needed and very little heat given off.


Are you saying that from experience, or what youve read elsewhere on the net? as that statement looks like a cut&paste from elsewhere.

As we all know there are no moving parts in CPU's, and Ram, but they still get hot :p
 
Here is a quote taken from this site - http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4387&p=2

"Thermal performance is an odd subject with the current SSD's on the market. Many manufacturers, including Crucial, claim that SSDs emit little-to-no measureable heat, as they have no moving parts. This couldn't be farther from the truth during normal operation, as they get just as hot (or hotter) than standard drives. This problem rears its head when enclosed in an external case with no airflow. Using the optional Crucial drive storage kit, the SSD and surrounding case would warm up to almost 125F after a couple of hours under constant use. While this isn't technically going to start plastic on fire or anything, it does make you wonder why they make claims that the drives are almost heat-free."
 
Are you saying that from experience, or what youve read elsewhere on the net? as that statement looks like a cut&paste from elsewhere.

As we all know there are no moving parts in CPU's, and Ram, but they still get hot :p

It is fact ;)
 
It is fact ;)

I realise that you are new here however just stating "its a fact" without sourcing your information is fairly pointless and does little to convince anyone of the "fact".

Everything I have read does state that the drives run cooler than standard mechanical disks, however I've seen nothing that shows it nor could i find anything with a quick google.
 
I realise that you are new here however just stating "its a fact" without sourcing your information is fairly pointless and does little to convince anyone of the "fact".

Everything I have read does state that the drives run cooler than standard mechanical disks, however I've seen nothing that shows it nor could i find anything with a quick google.

Fair enough.

http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631&p=26
 
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