Lights off at petrol stations?

[iaind]

Wow. This is like a record on repeat.

Its not a bank, i've not got a helmet. Where does the gun come into this analogy?

I agree with you, which is why I'd take my custom elsewhere and let them know I don't appreciate being treated as a potential theif due to car lighting or not closing a door.

It was an analogy, thats the point. Just because you're waving a gun about in a bank doesnt mean you're going to rob it, but most people who do so will rob it.... Just like a large proportion of people who leave doors open will end up nicking fuel - especially when combined with other things, such as parking at a far pump when closer ones are free etc

As for saying it doesnt prevent theft - of course it does. Any normal human being (yourself excluded, obviously) would understand the above principal and close the door when asked. A thief wouldnt, they would give up and drive away

 

[Biohazard]

I think I'll leave it there, your quote below summed it up really. Seems you don't like rules

'Its my ******* car, I'll leave every door open stuff the seats with underage hoes and put my first through the windscreen if I should so choose.'

I've already had my tiff with Fox in this thread I thought the thread had moved on from there though. I though we were now talking about how people generally like to ignore the rules of forecourts (despite how stupid some of the rules appear)

I work in Law Enforcement, rules are fine by me.

My quote was a classic me, but it makes a point. Its my vehicle, I'll have plastic animals stuck to the roof of it if I like!

Stop putting words actions or beliefs into other peoples way, as it doesnt' really work Simon. I adhere to all the rules of the road, private forcoarts or not. Never encountered such sillyness personally...

 

[Biohazard]

It was an analogy, thats the point. Just because you're waving a gun about in a bank doesnt mean you're going to rob it, but most people who do so will rob it.... Just like a large proportion of people who leave doors open will end up nicking fuel - especially when combined with other things, such as parking at a far pump when closer ones are free etc

As for saying it doesnt prevent theft - of course it does. Any normal human being (yourself excluded, obviously) would understand the above principal and close the door when asked. A thief wouldnt, they would give up and drive away

I know what an analogy is you twit.

Its crap, a crap analogy. It ends up being a story with little connection or meaning to the original subject.

So most people who have their lights on in a forecourt of leave their doors open are by your analysis and analogy 'but most people who do so will rob it'...

 

[[TW]Fox]

Surely most people leave lights on at a petrol station. Why turn them off? You turn the engine off and your headlights go out anyway, leaving the sidelights on simply means when you leave the forecourt your lights go back on, handy if its dark

 

[Simon]

Because its crap. If you walk into a jewellers with helmet and gun your clearly in there for no good.

Turning up and forgetting to turn off your lights? Or leaving your door midly ajar?

****** off, they are nothing alike.

I didn't mention a gun.

Turning up and forgetting to remove your helmet was my point.

 

[iaind]

Lights on is a different case, its much less related to theft than other things.

In my experience, there are very few people who left doors open while fueling as there is no benefit whatsoever. If you want to be chatting to mates, you wouldnt be getting fuel from me anyway.

So yes, in my experience, there was a significantly elevated risk of theft from people leaving doors open - just like there would be a significantly elevated risk of theft from someone with a gun in a bank.

 

[Overlag]

Surely most people leave lights on at a petrol station. Why turn them off? You turn the engine off and your headlights go out anyway, leaving the sidelights on simply means when you leave the forecourt your lights go back on, handy if its dark

i do this all the time, no problem at all.

 

[[TW]Fox]

So yes, in my experience, there was a significantly elevated risk of theft from people leaving doors open - just like there would be a significantly elevated risk of theft from someone with a gun in a bank.

I think the reason people consider you analogy poor is leaving a door open is leaving a door open whereas possesion of a firearm is a criminal offence.

 

[iaind]

Surely most people leave lights on at a petrol station. Why turn them off? You turn the engine off and your headlights go out anyway, leaving the sidelights on simply means when you leave the forecourt your lights go back on, handy if its dark

I turn them off out of habbit and because my car makes an irritating noise if i leave them on.

A lot of people probably do leave them on and 99% of the time the cashier wont notice/care.

 

[Biohazard]

I didn't mention a gun.

Turning up and forgetting to remove your helmet was my point.

That I can understand, however bike helmets into jewellers has to be low scale even if non criminal. Most bikers would take them off.

Compair that to the number of cars that top up fuel at night with lights on, and how many people do not clamber out of their windows...

It really just does come down to the principle of it, and balls to the onus being placed on the customer. Chip and pin for every one would do me a lot better.

 

[Simon]

Surely most people leave lights on at a petrol station. Why turn them off? You turn the engine off and your headlights go out anyway, leaving the sidelights on simply means when you leave the forecourt your lights go back on, handy if its dark

I tend to turn mine off, partly through habit off turning lights off with engine.
I've never really needed the sidelights to find my car so don't leave them on

It's good practice in terms of the battery and starter motor life too

 

[iaind]

I think the reason people consider you analogy poor is leaving a door open is leaving a door open whereas possesion of a firearm is a criminal offence.

Ok, swap the analogy for wearing a balaclava/motorcycle helmet in a bank - the analogy remains as valid

 

[Dano]

Surely most people leave lights on at a petrol station. Why turn them off? You turn the engine off and your headlights go out anyway, leaving the sidelights on simply means when you leave the forecourt your lights go back on, handy if its dark

Yup, and those that turn them off do often drive off without their lights on.

The door open thing is an odd one, lots of people do it, and the majority end up having to close the door to get past their car and in to pay anyway so they might just as well close it as soon as they get out in the first place.

Plus, it's not just there for the garage's protection, you really want to leave your car door open so anybody can get in while you're paying? Satnav on the windscreen? mobile on the dash? etc etc...

 

[Biohazard]

Ok, swap the analogy for wearing a balaclava/motorcycle helmet in a bank - the analogy remains as valid

It doesn't. Car users are the majority, we all drive into forecourts using lights and have to exit using doors. The bike user would have to park up, walk, enter with it on.

All I am talking about is exiting the vehicle, and picking up a petrol line.

 

[Biohazard]

It's good practice in terms of the battery and starter motor life too

Rubbish.

 

[MikeHunt79]

Asda pay at the pump in Bristol stops solo cards filling up more than £20. I got caught out when I used my ISA account card and it got to £20 and wouldnt let me put in anymore.

Is there anything to stop you just filling up twice? £20 seems a little silly...

 

[iaind]

That I can understand, however bike helmets into jewellers has to be low scale even if non criminal. Most bikers would take them off.

Most car drivers close the door behind them

Compair that to the number of cars that top up fuel at night with lights on, and how many people do not clamber out of their windows...

Lets take the lights thing out of this equation for the moment, I've already explained that most of the time most stations wouldnt have a problem with it, but in conjunction with other circumstances, it can look suspicious.

Doors can be opened for the purposes of exiting, in the same way they can be closed for the purpose of heat retention and crime prevention.

 

[Antipasti]

As quite a few people assumed that leaving your lights on at the pumps obscure CCTV, maybe ESSO are under the impression that cars with lights left on have the intention of not paying for their fuel?

 

[[TW]Fox]

I'm happy to go along with the idea that people who work at Esso are morons.

 

[PiKe]

Fox is just being victimised for driving his dads car