Slap on the wrist and don't do it again. Same as they got last time.
Shame, should be $100'000'000 fine and 2 year probation.
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Slap on the wrist and don't do it again. Same as they got last time.
Shame, should be $100'000'000 fine and 2 year probation.
They seem to get away with it all the time, just as they did when they had dodgy details on a competitors car. They will get away with it again. As the Lawrence article says on pitpass curiously Bernie was not interested in the cheating more worried about upsetting Renault.
I've never agreed with Flabs handling of drivers as a manager and how he treats them when he is not chosen to manage them anymore or at all.
I've never agreed with Flabs handling of drivers as a manager and how he treats them when he is not chosen to manage them anymore or at all.
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Link didn't seem to work, you mean this one:
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=38887
so we're onto crashgate now
Dunno, if what's being said rings true this looks like a fairly blatant race fix.
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What McLaren did was quite naughty hence the mega fine. But did they actually purposely cheat to win a race? Not in the same way Renault are accused of. If found guilty I don't think Renault will be fined.
$100'000'000 and exclusion then.
Where was the proof at McLaren?
Nowhere.
Where was the proof at Renault?
On their servers and other locations.
Yet Renault get let off....
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I believe that Adolf Molsey was not a great admirer of Ron Dennis . . . but that could be just a malicious rumour
Yeah, it is. I'm kinda disappointed he left Force India though, I doubt they'll get someone to replace him who'll do as well. Not that Fisi is any great talent - certainly not up there with Massa or Kimi - but at least he won't be circulating at the back of the pack!
I think all the people who gave evidence in that trial, were given immunity...not just Alonso. The reason for this was that there was no hard eveidence apart from witness testimonies. If no immunity were granted, then no one would offer evidence (apart from Ron Denis, who was the person who reported McLaren, in the first place), in which case, the case against McLaren would be pretty weak.
Also, don't forget that with McLaren, no driver reported his team for shenanigans. With Piquet, if he is the instigator of this investigation, he will be the first to be involved in such a case. Furthermore, if Piquet is the instigator, then his career in F1 could be jeopardised, as few people would want a driver in their team who could end up reporting them (even after a later date), for shady workings, if the said driver, were to get fired by the team.
Remember, every team, at some stage, will get upto things that could be considered dodgy. The last thing you want is letting go of a driver, only to be reported for dodgy dealings in the past.
I wonder if Piquet Snr is advising his son.
Hehehe. Damn right.
When Fisi (and his teamate Wurz) first started they both looked the real deal and future world champions. IF he is in the right mood he is as good as anyone imho. Just too emotional like most Italians.
Lot's of drivers look promising when they first start, many turn out not to have what it takes. I'm not saying Fisi is a bad driver; he isn't - but he's solidly midfield at best. Couple that with no having driven the Ferrari before and I doubt we'll see much from his this season.
If Alguersari can get in one of the worst cars in the field and do well, I can't see why Fisi who has had plenty of practise in current cars, then put in one of the quick cars can't get some decent finishes this season.
I think he'll score points in a few races. Might even scrape a 3rd if the Ferrari's perform as well as they did last race.
Exactly, Renault should atleast have got the same.
Jeopardised? It's already over he has nothing to lose. I wouldn't want to touch Alonso either. You wouldn't know what he might reveal if things didn't go his way.
Ron did exactly the right thing when alonso threatened to grass the team up. It doesn't matter that Alonso didn't carry through the threat. If Ron honestly didn't know about how long it was going on he did the right thing in going to the FIA and saying he might have a problem at the team.
Alonso was part of that cheating and it's ridiculous that he gets away with it because he gave evidence against the team.
I liked the one in the middle too. woopwoopwoopwoop.
Great video
Made me chuckle when I heard it
Great video though. First time Ive seen the onboard footage of Kubica going into the back of Kimi.
He has everything to lose, if he values his future in motorsport. Remember, if he does grass up his old team, it will be an advertisement to other motorracing teams (F1 and other formulae) who might think about hiring him in the future.
Remember, he is extremely young and there is every chance that if he shows himself to be a good racer in other formulae, he could make a return to F1.
The problem he faced at Renault was that the team were focussed on Alonso. On top of this Alonso is arguably the best driver in F1 right now and its not easy for anyone to compete against him, let alone a newbie like Piquet. Add to this the fact that Piquet for most of his duration at Renault was under pressure, where the press were continuously talking about him as if he was on the verge of getting fired.
Very few drivers would do something like that. Alonso made a flyaway threat in a fit of anger. In the heat of the moment Denis grassed up his team, but as an older man, I would've expected him to be more careful and to have at least waited till the weekend was over. When you do things in the heat of the moment, nothing good ever comes of it.
Have you never thought or said to your colleagues at work, "I'm gonna quit?" Most people have. But in reality, few of us see these threats through.
No he didnt. It cost his team a lot of money and the resulting rift between Alonso and McLaren cost McLaren both the constructors and World Drivers titles.
If anyone wants to know how not to deal with a difficult situation, Ron Denis' handling of the McLaren Spygate affair is the very definition.
Do you honestly believe that Denis didnt know what was going on? Ron has been in the business for decades and knew exactly what was going on. When Alonso made the flyaway comment about grassing up McLaren, while he was walking back to his motorhome, after qualifying (which he got pole position, which was later taken away from him...bizarrely), Denis knew exactly what he was talking about and didnt need things explained to him.
He gave evidence, because Denis had already grassed up McLaren and the rest of the team were asked to give evidence. By this point, it was too late for Alonso to hold back, unless Denis got everybody in an unofficial meeting and they all, together, like a team, contrived a cover up story. Unfortunately, Denis was too inept for this and simply allowed everybody to tell the investigating committee whatever they wanted.
Oh and btw, if you don't know, in F1, over the years, secrets have been past around from team to team. It happens. Industrial espionage. This is all part of F1. McLaren were not the first and certainly wont be the last. But, it all evens itself out in the end and all teams can do is try their best to prevent technological secrets from getting out.
One such secret is Alonso to Ferrari. The people in the know, all know the deal has already been done.
Another one was Fisi to Ferrari. We all knew that the deal was all but done. Yet the team boss of FIndia refused to admit that he was losing his driver, until Ferrari chose to make it public.
Agreed.
I was just looking at Fisichella's performance at Renault (the last time he was in a championship winning car).
In 2005, Fisi finished 5th. His team mate won the title.
In 2006, Fisi finished 4th. His team mate won the title.
Fisi is a good No.2 driver. He is slightly better than Heikki. But he certainly isnt as good as Massa or Kimi.
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Summary:
- Alonso is an angel
- Ron Dennis is a senile intemperate idiot
Summary:A point of view, certainly
- Alonso is an angel
- Ron Dennis is a senile intemperate idiot
Can't say I agree with the Alonso comment but the Ron comment is spot on, always thought he was a complete muppet
