Opera 10 final out!

ryder said:
I really want to like opera, but the random website incompatibilities drove me away last time.
There's even been mentions of issues within the first 20 posts of this thread..

What are some advantages? Help me understand!
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Personally for me, the biggest advantage is it's speed, stability, reliabilty, especially when I have 50-70 tabs open. I have tabs that have been open for a month or so here. It is always responsive, never bogs down, doesn't cause my computers to swap in and out. Doesn't lag when opening multiple tabs like firefox.

I much prefer the way the tabs work in Opera, the magic wand is excellent, as is the notes feature. The closed tabs button and Ctrl-Z to undo the page is nice features as well. Speed dial, and all the built in context options (dictionary, search, goto web page, block content add to note insert note, etc etc it hs many features hidden away). also the double click and triple click contect menu for selecting words etc.

Features I have used but aren't currently using Mail, Rss, Bittorrent, IRC and all this in less memory than the basic firefox install. The built in bittorrent is very handy.

I don't want to get my browser and then spend ages getting extensions for all the functionality i want. Then do this on every computer I use. Then the extensions don't work when I upgrade etc etc. Opera just works - download it and there it is.

Bad points - OK some web pages don't render properly, but I haven't come accros anything that has 'broke' in Opera unless it's doing something weird. I have IE 8 and Firefox installed as well just incase . On my work PCs I have IE6, IE8, Opera 9.64, Opera 10, Seamonkey, FF 3.5, and chrome.

One annoying thing is the way it sorts bookmark alphabetically by default. I like them sorted by order of addition.. But i hardly use bookmarks anyway.

It's just preference at the end of the day, but after using Netscape style browsers since Netscape 3, and then Communicator, and firefox since it was called phoenix I changed to Opera when I got too annoyed with the firefox bloat.. This was about 2 years ago (opera 8 I think) and it took about a month of usage before I saw the light.

I think a lot of people try it and don't give it the time as it IS different from Firefox and you can't expect to try if for 30 mins and be converted.

Remember that Firefox was supposed to be a tiny, efficient lean browser that could be extended to exactly what you want... in the beginning this was a sound idea but it's kind of turned into a bit of a monster now and there's talk around the net of people wanting a 'cut down FF' .


Plus I'm older now and can't be bother 'fiddling' with things, much less my web browser. I just want things to work. Opera delivers that.
 
ryder said:
I really want to like opera, but the random website incompatibilities drove me away last time.
There's even been mentions of issues within the first 20 posts of this thread..

What are some advantages? Help me understand!
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We could do with LeperousDust in here. :)

Greenlizard0 said:
Hmm pictures are loading up really funny when I open up the browser windows. A hard F5 sorts it out, but it's a bit annoying that.
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Tried a new profile?
 
whitecrook said:
Could you expand on this please?

As far as I can see Opera has innovated/first implemented widely just about every standard browser feature people use these days ?

For opera 10, there is the thumbnail tab bar, opera unite ('web server') , and the turbo function.
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Speed Dial is the only genuine usability improvement they've made in the past few versions tbh. And even that's just a glorified favourites bar.

I've been using it since version 7 and it just doesn't seem to have ever really evolved. There hasn't been a single feature that has made me go 'Wow' on first load, whereas Firefox and Chrome are so dynamic and advance at such a rapid pace.

Don't get me wrong; Opera has been my browser of choice for five years - it's fast and extremely easy to use. I can't live without the letter search prefixes for example, as they are so quick and easy and totally negate the need for a search bar cluttering up the interface.

It's just feels to me like every release is just a UI revamp with some vaguely useful stuff tacked on. They really need to innovate more and create some killer features to properly compete with the other browsers available.
 
Greenlizard0 said:
It seems to have gone away now..a bit strange that.

I'm still disappointed you can't save notes other then copy/pasting them.
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Eh? Open up the notes side panel. Type your note. Save it. no copy pasting required...

Related you can also pre populate Name, address etc feild in opera preference so it adds them in if you want so you don't need to type them out.
 
reflux said:
Speed Dial is the only genuine usability improvement they've made in the past few versions tbh. And even that's just a glorified favourites bar.
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Yeah . Previous to speed dial I used to have a local HTML page load up which had a bunch of my favourite links... ghetto speeddial if you like.

I've been using it since version 7 and it just doesn't seem to have ever really evolved. There hasn't been a single feature that has made me go 'Wow' on first load, whereas Firefox and Chrome are so dynamic and advance at such a rapid pace.
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Seriously though, Opera has been leading for a lonnnng time. FF and Chrome are advancing at a rapid pace because they are playing catch up...

Not being funny and genuinely interested in your views on this. What features in FF make you go 'wow'. And what features does Firefox have that Opera doesn't?

Don't get me wrong; Opera has been my browser of choice for five years - it's fast and extremely easy to use. I can't live without the letter search prefixes for example, as they are so quick and easy and totally negate the need for a search bar cluttering up the interface.
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Yes there's loads of neat features, most of which aren't 'in your face'

It's just feels to me like every release is just a UI revamp with some vaguely useful stuff tacked on. They really need to innovate more and create some killer features to properly compete with the other browsers available.
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Well every release I've used is faster, renders better, has improvements in most areas I use and never regresses (that I can think of) The JS performance in this release is a great example, and passing the Acid3 tests is nice. I like the fact that it gets better, rather than changing on each release.


Can you suggest some 'killer' features and innovative features you'd like to see? I can think of a couple, to be fair.
 
whitecrook said:
Eh? Open up the notes side panel. Type your note. Save it. no copy pasting required...

Related you can also pre populate Name, address etc feild in opera preference so it adds them in if you want so you don't need to type them out.
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No it automatically saves them within Opera. But there's no option to save them externally if that makes any sense.
 
I don't really need addons - all I want is a decent, simple, fast browser and Opera fits the bill. I've used it for about 8 years.

The new icon is great. I can't believe some people are griping about it. The old one looked like some ancient, pixellated, 16-bit abortion. I actually modified Opera to use this icon a few years back, such was the hateful nature of the original.

Can you suggest some 'killer' features and innovative features you'd like to see? I can think of a couple, to be fair.
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I want features removed! How about an option to leave out bitorrent, feeds, widgets and email facilities on installation....

;)
 
Ratbag said:
The new icon is great. I can't believe some people are griping about it. The old one looked like some ancient, pixellated, 16-bit abortion. I actually modified Opera to use this icon a few years back, such was the hateful nature of the original.
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Should have gone to Specsavers tbh. It's blooming awful. :(

Ratbag said:
I want features removed! How about an option to leave out bitorrent, feeds, widgets and email facilities on installation....

;)
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Join the party. Think you are 3rd or 4th OcUKer who wants this on the installer. :)
 
Greenlizard0 said:
No it automatically saves them within Opera. But there's no option to save them externally if that makes any sense.
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I see. I guess that could be a new feature. good for research..

But you can email notes to an email account - i've never done it but I guess that could possibly be a workaround. (email , save from email.)


sweet! I just noticed Opera now has a built in Open with command which detects all your installed browsers.
 
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That feature's been there for a while. Very handy of them to put it in considering there's still a few common websites e.g. eBay that don't always load properly in Opera.
 
The open with feature on my home pc wont detect Chome, though it has spotted IE, FF and Safari. At work however it spots them all. The only real use I have for this function is to check my html designs so it's disapointing that it's missing...

Anyone know how I can get it to detect Chrome? I have tried fresh installs of both opera and chrome already.
 
I went through a period of trying new browsers a few months back. Of all the ones I tried - IE8, FF, Safari, Chrome, and Opera - I liked Opera as much as I like IE8, which is saying something.

It had a good adblocker built in, worked well, displayed pages properly, was reasonably quick, and I really liked how you could see the page loading part that came up over the address bar.

The problem I have with Opera is that it is owned by probably the whiniest, most pathetic person i've ever seen. The person responsible for all the utter stupidity and retardedness surrounding the release of Windows 7, and all it's inane editions.

So i'm not having a stab at the browser itself, but i'll never use it again. I'm not supporting pure stupidity, sorry. :)
 
Tute said:
The problem I have with Opera is that it is owned by probably the whiniest, most pathetic person i've ever seen. The person responsible for all the utter stupidity and retardedness surrounding the release of Windows 7, and all it's inane editions.

So i'm not having a stab at the browser itself, but i'll never use it again. I'm not supporting pure stupidity, sorry. :)
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what? what does opera software ASA have to do with Microsoft's Windows 7 Version decisions, or, what does it have to do with the EU's antitrust lawsuit?
 
Tute said:
The problem I have with Opera is that it is owned by probably the whiniest, most pathetic person i've ever seen. The person responsible for all the utter stupidity and retardedness surrounding the release of Windows 7, and all it's inane editions.

So i'm not having a stab at the browser itself, but i'll never use it again. I'm not supporting pure stupidity, sorry. :)
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Absolutely. I even paid for it way back when...

Aod said:
what? what does opera software ASA have to do with Microsoft's Windows 7 Version decisions, or, what does it have to do with the EU's antitrust lawsuit?
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Opera raised the complaint to the EU. The EU are acting for Opera, not for us as the residents of the EU.
 
Ah, Opera.

Still a really smooth browser with probably the most intelligent feature set of any browser out of the box.

Still no extension support.

Still marketed really badly.
 
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