Report of rioting in Birmingham City Centre

LabR@t · 12 Sep 2009 at 11:25

Evangelion said:
No it's not. Every news report clearly states that the 1,000 Muslims were separate from the UAF; they were not UAF members. It was the 1,000 Muslims who threw bottles, etc. at the police. The UAF behaved themselves. Why are you blaming the UAF for something that some random bunch of Muslims have done?

You seem to have got it into your head that the UAF is some sort of sinister Muslim movement, when in fact it was started by a bunch of white people, enjoys a predominantly white membership, and has no religious affiliation. This is very strange.

which is being used as a shield for Radical/militant Muslims to cause trouble

LabR@t · 12 Sep 2009 at 12:50

LINK NOT WORKING

Missing.String · 12 Sep 2009 at 12:52

LabR@t said:
We are in a global religious war its already started people

Even flash files are white supremacists now?!?! :eek:

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 12:59

Link fixed...

Dolph · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:17

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8251958.stm

Right-wing groups who claim to oppose Islamic extremism are trying to provoke violence on Britain's streets, the communities minister has said.

John Denham spoke after clashes between different groups at a new London mosque, during a march by the group Stop the Islamification of Europe.

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Mr Denham said such right-wing protesters were trying to provoke an "overreaction" from the Asian community.

"Then people blame the people who overreact and the situation gets out of control," he said.

"We know from the recent past that provocation can lead to community division and overreaction unless we nip it in the bud very quickly."

The minister singled out the EDL in particular: "If you look at the types of demonstrations they have organised, the language used and the targets chosen, it looks pretty clear that it's a tactic designed to provoke, to get a response and create violence.

"It's important that we, right across government, make sure this does not happen.

Looks to have hit the nail right on the head to me...

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:20

Love the way the BBC propaganda machine downplays the Muslim and UAF violence.

A minority of young Muslims then turned on police, throwing bricks, bottles and firecrackers.

Oh it was only a minority, that's okay then.

Mr Denham said such right-wing protesters were trying to provoke an "overreaction" from the Asian community.

"Then people blame the people who overreact and the situation gets out of control," he said.

And it's okay because it isn't their fault, we made them do it. "Look what you made me do!"

Why does the 'religion of peace' throw bricks and bottles at police? Why does the 'religion of peace' beat up peaceful white demonstrators?

Dolph · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:22

dirtydog said:
Love the way the BBC propaganda machine downplays the Muslim and UAF violence.

Oh it was only a minority, that's okay then.

And it's okay because it isn't their fault, we made them do it. "Look what you made me do!"

Really, I was admiring the way you and Labr@t are basically confirming the BBC article with your determination to portray the UAF and all muslims in a bad light over the response to determined provocation...

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:27

Dolph said:
Really, I was admiring the way you and Labr@t are basically confirming the BBC article with your determination to portray the UAF and all muslims in a bad light over the response to determined provocation...

So attacking peaceful demonstrators is okay in your book if you don't like their politics. I see

greywolf · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:30

dirtydog said:
Link fixed...

******* scum

Dolph · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:33

dirtydog said:
So attacking peaceful demonstrators is okay in your book if you don't like their politics. I see

Yet another strawman, please find where I said any such thing.

The point is that the EDF and the other protest groups are not innocent in their behaviour, not that the behaviour of a minority of muslims who overreacted was justified. It is worth remembering however that provocation is a valid legal defence/sentence mitigation criteria under UK law.

The attempts to paint the UAF as responsible however has no evidential backing whatsoever, and speak more of an aggressive fear reaction about having the underlying reasons for holding these sentiments exposed, much as your general question dodging behaviour on the forums does. I would wonder why you won't just say what you really think, but we already know the answer.

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:36

Dolph said:
Yet another strawman, please find where I said any such thing.

The point is that the EDF and the other protest groups are not innocent in their behaviour, not that the behaviour of a minority of muslims who overreacted was justified. It is worth remembering however that provocation is a valid legal defence/sentence mitigation criteria under UK law.

The attempts to paint the UAF as responsible however has no evidential backing whatsoever, and speak more of an aggressive fear reaction about having the underlying reasons for holding these sentiments exposed, much as your general question dodging behaviour on the forums does. I would wonder why you won't just say what you really think, but we already know the answer.

Isn't the presence and spread of Islam in this country, provocative?

Dolph · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:37

dirtydog said:
Isn't the presence and spread of Islam in this country, provocative?

Only as much as atheism in that it is changing the religious makeup of UK society, so in other words, not much at all.

If you find the simple presence of a religion provocative, that is your problem, not society's.

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 13:39

Dolph said:
Only as much as atheism in that it is changing the religious makeup of UK society.

I think many native British people are alarmed at the rapid changes to our country due to mass immigration of alien cultures like Islam, and some of those people decided to peacefully demonstrate in order to express those fears. Only to be attacked by a racist, British and white hating mob led by the UAF.

mattscold · 12 Sep 2009 at 14:11

dirtydog said:
I think many native British people are alarmed at the rapid changes to our country due to mass immigration of alien cultures like Islam, and some of those people decided to peacefully demonstrate in order to express those fears. Only to be attacked by a racist, British and white hating mob led by the UAF.

My apologies if this sounds dumb, have only just ventured into this thread so may have missed some salient facts but, how are the UAF british / white hating, i found them to be mostly white in my experience. I hate fascism and the BNP, however i am neither a white hater, (I am white for gods sake) nor a Britain hater. However, i would hate the britain that fat hitler (mock the week there

) is proposing.

deuse · 12 Sep 2009 at 14:16

dirtydog said:
Link fixed...

SCUM no other word for them :mad:

scorza · 12 Sep 2009 at 14:18

Interesting looking at the photos from last night's riot:

Group A:

Group B:

And yet our openly racist government, police and media think that group A is the problem? :confused:

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 14:21

mattscold said:
My apologies if this sounds dumb, have only just ventured into this thread so may have missed some salient facts but, how are the UAF british / white hating, i found them to be mostly white in my experience. I hate fascism and the BNP, however i am neither a white hater, (I am white for gods sake) nor a Britain hater. However, i would hate the britain that fat hitler (mock the week there ) is proposing.

There is nothing stopping you hating your own race or people - our own government and media does it after all.

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 14:27

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-protestors-clash-outside-London-mosque.html

Some excellent reader comments on there.

Dolph · 12 Sep 2009 at 14:30

scorza said:
Interesting looking at the photos from last night's riot:

And yet our openly racist government, police and media think that group A is the problem?

If I continually go up to people insulting them, their mothers, and anything else I can think of, do I lack any responsibility for how people react to that provocation?

Would any ensuing violence have happened without my provocation?

Dolph · 12 Sep 2009 at 14:32

dirtydog said:
There is nothing stopping you hating your own race or people - our own government and media does it after all.

You do it to, unless you're defining race by skin colour and not genetics, then indians etc are the same racial group as you are... You always insist you do not base race on skin colour, why not prove it by demonstrating that it is based on something else?