Can a shop security guard.....

Patriach · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:14

vincent1989 said:
only if they allow you to, otherwise you'd have to detain them and wait for police.

I dont ask, i just do. How else can you get £100's worth of stuff from up a guys jacket?

JBuk · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:14

report him back

Le_Petit_Lapin · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:15

Lol, who gives a toss if you shine a laser pointer at a wall ffs? Report him and say he touched you inappropriately while he done a cavity search on you with no gloves on.

vincent1989 · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:16

Patriach said:
I dont ask, i just do. How else can you get £100's worth of stuff from up a guys jacket?

well generally most **** themselves so much when they get caught a polite request will have them chuck it all out onto the floor/desk or wherever you have them detained. if they refuse there's nothing you can do but make sure they're still on the premises when the rozzers turn up

uber soldat · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:17

JBuk said:
report him back

Get a black friend to say he was in the car with you and the guy threw a banana at him.

Patriach · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:18

vincent1989 said:
well generally most **** themselves so much when they get caught a polite request will have them chuck it all out onto the floor/desk or wherever you have them detained. if they refuse there's nothing you can do but make sure they're still on the premises when the rozzers turn up

If the manager wants to press charges, that the only time he calls the cops, wish i could do it. On the times he has called them, i chucked the scrote into the ladies toilet and stood outside it, he cant get out.

semi-pro waster · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:18

Patriach said:
I dont ask, i just do. How else can you get £100's worth of stuff from up a guys jacket?

You should be aware that you are probably committing an offence then. Asking them politely may not be the most effective way of achieving your goal but it also doesn't leave you open to charges of having committed an illegal search.

Camalot · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:19

lol love your responses as usual

My questions answered, thanks guys. Least i know where i stand incase he tries something else. :rolleyes:

Rotty · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:21

Spawn said:
Thats acceptable as the security guard is there to make sure people arent stealing from the shop.

nothing stopping you from refusing, he would then have to decide whether to call the police or not

vincent1989 · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:22

Patriach said:
If the manager wants to press charges, that the only time he calls the cops, wish i could do it. On the times he has called them, i chucked the scrote into the ladies toilet and stood outside it, he cant get out.

haha! i only say what i say from talking to the security guards at my old place of work, we were quite pally and i used to tip them off quite a bit as part of my job necessitated me meandering around the shop floor.

police were always called unless it was something really minor like muppets trying to steal gift cards (you know, the ones that have absolutely NO value until you run them through the till :rolleyes:

) as the person stealing might be stealing from many shops in the local area, they might already be on the list so to speak.

fini · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:23

semi-pro said:
You should be aware that you are probably committing an offence then. Asking them politely may not be the most effective way of achieving your goal but it also doesn't leave you open to charges of having committed an illegal search.

Just to clarify what semi-pro posted, and further reinforce it, by 'you' we don't mean you and your employer, we mean you personally. There's no way that your internal policy tells you to do that, so if a complaint was made to the police you'd probably lose your job as well. What you're doing is beyond stupid.

Patriach · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:25

vincent1989 said:
haha! i only say what i say from talking to the security guards at my old place of work, we were quite pally and i used to tip them off quite a bit as part of my job necessitated me meandering around the shop floor.

police were always called unless it was something really minor like muppets trying to steal gift cards (you know, the ones that have absolutely NO value until you run them through the till ) as the person stealing might be stealing from many shops in the local area, they might already be on the list so to speak.

I see your point, all shop-lifting is a crime, but at the moment, its the boss's decision on wether or not dibble are called. I am trying to get more 'power' so to speak. I NEED the power the call dibble myself!

Knubje · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:26

uber soldat said:
Get a black friend to say he was in the car with you and the guy threw a banana at him.

Aahaha, I laughed out loud in my office!

Damn you!!

*shakes fist in air*

vincent1989 · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:26

Patriach said:
I see your point, all shop-lifting is a crime, but at the moment, its the boss's decision on wether or not dibble are called. I am trying to get more 'power' so to speak. I NEED the power the call dibble myself!

you have the power to call them yourself, as a citizen it's you're prerogative to call the police when you suspect someone of a crime or are witness to a crime.

Yas786 · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:27

Rotty said:
nothing stopping you from refusing, he would then have to decide whether to call the police or not

Indeed and then it would be up to the security guard to call the police.

fini · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:28

Patriach said:
I am trying to get more 'power' so to speak. I NEED the power the call dibble myself!

Are they seriously saying they will reprimand you for calling the police? I don't do employment law, but that seems like something that could give rise to unfair dismissal to me... anyone like to chime in on this?

Camalot · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:28

My security guard will probably follow me home and then try search my house for a laser pen, he really does think he is something else.

I could report him for asking to search my car i suppose, but it would just cause more trouble at the end of the day. Best to just leave it.

Ill just smile and say hello to him tomorrow

Patriach · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:30

fini said:
Are they seriously saying they will reprimand you for calling the police? I don't do employment law, but that seems like something that could give rise to unfair dismissal to me... anyone like to chime in on this?

Ive called the police a couple of times, the boss just goes nuts, saying things like there was no need, and he only tried stealing this, that and the other!

vincent1989 · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:31

Patriach said:
Ive called the police a couple of times, the boss just goes nuts, saying things like there was no need, and he only tried stealing this, that and the other!

i'd be inclined to not work so hard at stopping them then.

gillywibble · 30 Sep 2009 at 13:41

No authority this year, definitely next year.