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Just having my rant, oh well i'm sure us public sector people can do some strikes!
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Millions of public sector workers face pay freeze under Tories' £7billion cost-cuttin
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The problem with this (as much as I think it'll be needed) is that already under paid public workers are basically getting stuffed because of what the private sector has done. Seems unfair to me.
Lets make this more fair, if you capped ALL salaries for our newly aquired banks at £20,000 on my basic calculations we'd save just over £22 Billion. They caused it, let them pay for it
Sounds fair to me.
Lets make this more fair, if you capped ALL salaries for our newly aquired banks at £20,000 on my basic calculations we'd save just over £22 Billion. They caused it, let them pay for it
Sounds fair to me.
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How does public sector career progression pay raises work? Is it based on the experience, capability and output of the employee, or just the legnth of time they have been employed there?
Public sector workers aren't underpaid though, their average full time earnings are higher than the private sector's.
No, that sounds completely retarded unless you actually want to throw the money we spent rescuing the banks away completely. As it stands, we'll make a profit on the bailout, cripple the semi-nationalised banks and all that will happen is we'll lose money.
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well its works like this which i disagree with. your job has a scale range, so for example I am on scale 33-44 and each scale point goes up each year automatically (around 1k) and then on top of that you get a increase in living amount eg this year it was 1% and last year 2.5%.
However If you do very little in the job you can still get a nice increase in payments with doing very litttle.
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However If you do very little in the job you can still get a nice increase in payments with doing very litttle.
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It's as if you're a poster child for public sector workers. Well done.
That's a solution, workers strike, we sack the strikers, public sector wage bills become realistic again
How does public sector career progression pay raises work? Is it based on the experience, capability and output of the employee, or just the legnth of time they have been employed there?
I can't speak for local CS, but central is generally based on experience and capability.
You apply for a promotion and if you've got the right "Competencies" you sit an interview for it.
And you think this is an efficient, effective approach to ensuring employee productivity?
I can see why you aren't employed in the private sector, even your average McDonalds worker understands this...
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I had to interview for both my promotions, however, i'll be capped at 40k for senior planner and in the private sector you would get a lot more than that.
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And the relevance is what? For the vast majority of companies if it isn't doing well then all workers tend to get pay freezes or you have job cuts. As the whole country isn't doing well why should the public sector workers expect job security and pay increases? Where exactly is all the money going to come from to fund these pay increases?
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That's pretty stupid, can't they just sack the slackers? Anywhere else would do it. It is public money they're spending, surely the goal should be to be as efficient as possible?
Yeah, you could get more privately, but then you'd have to be good at what you do, work hard and generally not take as many days off sick (if any). Its my impression that public sector workers get to slack for reasonably large salaries, when it wouldn't be accepted elsewhere.
I'm not saying you do by the way.
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So why complain about the pay freeze, simply move to the private sector if you can get a lot more for doing the same thing.
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I said I disagree as i know many people who don't deserve pay they are on. However, I work damn hard for my job and it really bugs me about how its abused!
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So go get a job in the private sector?
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I will do eventually when things pick up, however I have my finaly salary pension...
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On the whole I'd say yes, but there's scores of instances where this couldn't be anywhere further than the truth. Of those that I know who have public sector jobs, they'd be on at least 70% more in the private sector. They mainly continue with this are [A] they like the stability (which this conversative move threatens) and most have some feeling of liking Pub Sec work because they're contributing to the country rather than making someone a little more rich.
So we should be paying bankers £100,000+ salaries whilst freezing hard working public sectors workers salaries - now that's retarded.
Except they aren't really. On a like for like job our pay is pretty poor.
It's just that a lot of low paid jobs (cleaners, cooks, storemen) have been outsourced so that the whole work force (non CS) is compared to higher paying jobs (CS).
And before anyone says it, if I was that bothered by the money I could get a job somewhere else, but there are other benefits (pension, flexi-time working) that, for me, outweighs the lower pay.