England game only available on the Internets - **Spoilers**

thought the first half was rubbish , second half was an improvement , but belarus did get some chances and against better teams we might have lost that game,

dont really rate agbonlohor yet, for the world cup i would pick:

rooney
defoe
heskey
crouch
 
Thankfully we've got a straight thinking manager and Crouch won't be in the first team.

Crouch has scored over a third of his goals against Jamaica, Andorra and Belarus. Those teams would stuggle in the bloody Championship.

Rooney is the only world class player England have (who shows it at international level at least) surely our tactics should be set up to help our best player? Or alternatively we could play Crouch, knock Honduras for six in the group stage and then get embarrassed when we play a team with players who play for club teams we've actually heard of.

I'd add A. Cole and Ferdinand



Edit - Forgot Heskey.
 
Heskey is beyond pathetically bad, at least Crouch has the sense to run into the box now and then, I forget where I read it, here on footie 365 comments, but a Villa fan was complaining that for half the attacks he's just standing on the half way line wondering what to do, rather than breaking his neck to get on the end of a cross. He's a lazy no good no talent idiot. He's big therefore he's good? Seems to be most peoples reasoning, but Cole for instance, wins more headers, because he actually knows what to do, Heskey despite his size looks to fall over and get a freekick rather than do something with the ball.

I also though Crouch was pathetic last night and its a sad state of affairs when your entire game can be so pathetically bad, but pick up two tap ins from other people's work. He won few headers, held up the ball badly, simply control was beyond him, passing was terrible. He got two late runs into the box wrong, but got lucky. The Cole shot he should have run across the defender earlier so he could recieve the pass to shoot from, but he was behind two defenders for no real reason, Cole shot and the defender was slowing down, give him credit for going for it and getting the goal, but world class, hardly.

Gabby's build up play was actually very good first half, but with two useless midgets and a tall pratt he didn't have much to work with, another utterly pointless "test". So we know how a bunch of bad players play with each other, but how would Gabby do with the rest of the normal first team, we don't know because two players were "injured" again and unavailable, good commitment guys.

Would Gabby have worked perfecty instead of Heskey with the rest of the expected first team? we still don't know.

I thought he showed good movement, but got poor service and no one to work off, if you watch Villa its the interplay between Young/Gabby that makes goals. Playing both of them together in the team may have worked very well, but again who knows. Lennon and SWP were awful, defensively not bad except Johnson, most main chances for them he was easily passed around and out of position with there two best chances him caught up field, Ferdy moving over and Johnson plugging the whole badly, if that striker had a left foot we would have lost, but he always wanted a half hour to get on his right foot which cost him his chances.


Foster, fantastic save, more impressive than he's been for Utd. Bridge, not to bad, Barry was pretty damn good going fowards, not so good defensively, but then no one seems to notice he's been an attacking midfielder for 4 years. Lampard again working hard taking the defensive role which he's surprising decent at but wasting his offensive game and not surprisingly he's not world class as a DM.

England have so much quality I really don't know why we let SWP, Lennon, Crouch, Heskey get any games at all. WE should have for months been looking for a decent DM to play which can then also release Lampard to play further up the pitch, surely at least trying, Lescott, Richards, Bridge, Jagielka, anyone defensive, big and strong there is a start, those players because they have a bit more pace than obviously aren't starting in their normal positions, but all capable of getting forward but can sit in the hole and cover the defence. The mere hope hargreaves might be fit to play that role is a HUUUUGEEE gamble, and we don't have anyone else remotely close to being a great DM.

THe real world class players in the team would be Rooney, Cashley, Terry, Ferdy, Lampard, Defoe, dare I say it, Beckham aswell, I think he's lost a lot of his game but frankly, is so so far ahead of Theo/SWP/Lennon its a joke.
 
Micah Richards and Lescott are not England quality.

Rio,Terry,King, Woodgate, Jagielka are probably the best, two of those are obviously crocked though.

Defoe is not world class either. For me the problem lies in naming the best starting eleven. I know the defence, Rooney and Gerrard (perhaps lampard) but each other place is still up for grabs.

Furthermore if Owen is fit, he will score goals and surely needs to included.
 
18 goals in 17 starts actually :p
Yeah but 2 of those goals came in appearances from the bench. He's started 17 times and scored 16 goals from starts - if I heard right last night!



edit: Will probably get slated for this but with the goalkeeping situation, I'd seriously consider taking Steve Harper from Newcastle as back-up. I always thought he was a very solid deputy for Shay Given and he seems to be doing ok this season (although not in a great position to judge). Against him however is his lack of international experience and how he'd cope with being thrown straight in.
 
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Owen doesn't have to be in the squad at all, no one does. If he plays well, scores goals and stays injury free he'll deserve to but I very much doubt that'll happen.
 
Thought the Argentina game was pretty poor, Argentina were just bad, nobody else on that team in on Messi's level, so so so many times he'd beat 1 or 2 men and then look up for a pass or a one two with somebody or any kind of support and all that would happen was the Argentina players would stand gormlessly watching him as if to say, carry on, don't give it to me.

Such an awfully boring team to watch, they'll go out in the group stages as they are a very, very poor team (collectively)
 
Pity as Argentina were just awesome 4 years ago, they're struggling to replace Crespo I think, he was a really important part of the formation. I assume Riquelme doesn't play any more for them either?

The next generation to replace the likes of Zanetti and Ayala just hasn't looked up to it yet.
 
Their biggest problem is teamwork, awful movement, players making the wrong decisions constantly, being on different wavelengths etc. and also being way too defensive and isolating any kind of attack they make. There's also 0 creativity apart from Messi (so he has to play the role of Xavi, Iniesta, Henry, Ibra and himself, constantly trying to spice it up and therefore always out of position) and the occasional decent ball from Veron. Veron is alright at passing the ball but he's so excruciatingly slow at releasing the ball that the other team are all behind the ball before he's released it (or half the time he just loses it). There is no real pace to their play and any team with some enthusiasm and a bit of quality will walk all over them
 
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Thought the Argentina game was pretty poor, Argentina were just bad, nobody else on that team in on Messi's level, so so so many times he'd beat 1 or 2 men and then look up for a pass or a one two with somebody or any kind of support and all that would happen was the Argentina players would stand gormlessly watching him as if to say, carry on, don't give it to me.

Such an awfully boring team to watch, they'll go out in the group stages as they are a very, very poor team (collectively)

There's no way they'll go out in the groups. The SA qualifying is always difficult, Brazil struggled in '02 (finished 3rd, and only a few more points than Argentina this year) and then went on to win the WC. Argentina were written off before '86 as well and whilst they didn't deserve to win it...;)...they did.

Qualification doesn't mean much when it comes to the real thing, it's not the best analogy but think of how teams can be crap in pre-seson and turn it on when the real business starts or vice versa.
 
There's no way they'll go out in the groups. The SA qualifying is always difficult, Brazil struggled in '02 (finished 3rd, and only a few more points than Argentina this year) and then went on to win the WC. Argentina were written off before '86 as well and whilst they didn't deserve to win it...;)...they did.

Qualification doesn't mean much when it comes to the real thing, it's not the best analogy but think of how teams can be crap in pre-seson and turn it on when the real business starts or vice versa.

The only thing that tells me they're really rubbish though is the fact that they had a couple of huge, must win games, France and Portugal both showed what they could do at the end of the campaign but Argentina seemed to just limp through on lucky/undeserved results and were massively unimpressive even when they absolutely needed to win
 
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