RFID chips, here they come!

Over the years I've learned never to say "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" because it seems to set of a chain reaction of comments like this. Yet no one ever clarifies exactly whats wrong with saying this.

Proponent - "I don't mind lots of CCTV. I've done nothing wrong."
Opponent - "Your naive ignorance amuses me. Dance for me clown!"

I'm not trying to incite a flame war, I'm just curious for a logical explanation backing up your comment. I'm also not picking sides here so don't confuse this for a pro-RFID post.

Why fail?

Because of World War 2 and in particular, The Holocaust. Please bear in mind that all modern acts relating to civil liberty, i.e. Human Rights, Data Protection, EC Directive 95/46/EC in Europe were borne out of the atrocities perpetrated during the war.

The right to privacy is a highly developed area of law in Europe. All the member states of the European Union (EU) are also signatories of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). Article 8 of the ECHR provides a right to respect for one's "private and family life, his home and his correspondence," subject to certain restrictions. The European Court of Human Rights has given this article a very broad interpretation in its jurisprudence. In 1981 the Convention for the Protection of Individuals with regard to Automatic Processing of Personal Data was negotiated within the Council of Europe. This convention obliges the signatories to enact legislation concerning the automatic processing of personal data, which many duly did.

In order to understand the Directive, it is necessary to understand how and why EU and US perspectives on data protection and privacy are different. The United States prefers what is called a 'sectoral' approach to data protection legislation, relying on a combination of legislation, regulation, and self-regulation, rather than overarching governmental regulations.[1] Former U.S. President Bill Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore explicitly recommended in their “Framework for Global Electronic Commerce” that the private sector should lead, and companies should implement self-regulation in reaction to issues brought on by Internet technology.[2] To date, the US has no single, overarching privacy law comparable to the EU Directive.[3] Privacy legislation in the United States tends to be adopted on an “as needed” basis, with legislation arising when certain sectors and circumstances require (e.g., the Video Protection Act of 1988, the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992, and the Fair Credit Reporting Act). Therefore, while certain sectors may already satisfy the EU Directive, at least in part, most do not.[4]

The reasoning behind this approach probably has as much to do with American laissez-faire economics as with different social perspectives. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution guarantees the right to free speech.[5] While free speech is an explicit right guaranteed by the United States Constitution, privacy is an implicit right guaranteed by the Constitution as interpreted by the United States Supreme Court.[6]

Europeans are acutely familiar with the dangers associated with uncontrolled use of personal information from their experiences under World War II-era fascist governments and post-War Communist regimes, and are highly suspicious and fearful of unchecked use of personal information.[7] World War II and the post-War period was a time in Europe that disclosure of race or ethnicity led to secret denunciations and seizures that sent friends and neighbors to work camps and concentration camps.[8] Europe has experienced atrocities directly related to privacy and the release of personal information inconceivable to most Americans. In the age of computers, Europeans’ guardedness of secret government files has translated into a distrust of corporate databases, and governments in Europe took decided steps to protect personal information from abuses in the years following World War II.[9] Germany and France, in particular, set forth comprehensive data protection laws.[10]

Source.
 
Trust me - if you're ever in a car crash at high speed being able to talk to the Emergency Services is the least of your worries. I would think the multiple broken bones, the head injuries and possibly the ruptured arteries, spleen etc are the bigger worries.

The treatment of which in most cases doesn't require you to tell people that your name is Fred and you live in a Bungalow in Dorset.

A quick blood test would reveal if your blood sugars are low - which is a standard test by Paramedics when they have unresponsive people.

The advert is a typical scaremonger tactic - ooo look what will happen if you don't have these inserted under your skin. Erm excuse me, we've done perfectly well without them for the last few hundred thousand years so why do we need them now?

Most right minded individuals were shocked and disgusted at the way the Nazis during World War II tattooed serial numbers onto the forearms of people. This is no different - you become nothing more that something with a serial number. They had nothing to hide - the records caught up with them and in many cases they were executed for no reason whatsoever, other than a Government decided they didn't want them around.
 
More rubbish from a CT, really you have lost the plot. Being identified as a diabetic is very important in treatment. They are extremely short range, no one is forcing them and they can have many many benefits.
 
conventional ID or a Medi-bracelet thing
How would an RFID tag be any different to a Medi-bracelet? Its going to have the same info on it. Is the fact that its under your skin really such a big deal? Its a tiny little thing.


(Also, whats with the second video in the OP? Its completely unrelated to human implants and just seems like a generally brilliant system?)
 
So teki you're referencing this buds84 as if he;s credible (although you also reference "Dr" matthias rath)


The guy that claims "they" are giving you diabetes

Also says

Ghost keeps touching my hair/head. How can I get rid of it?


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread373106/pg1


and the ever classic


Youtube video opening demon portal?


I found this video on youtube that claims to contact beings but seems like a trick to let demons in to your place.
It might be real looking at all the bad comments people have left.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread495379/pg1

Seriously do you ever look at people who's "work" you rip off?
 
The treatment of which in most cases doesn't require you to tell people that your name is Fred and you live in a Bungalow in Dorset.
True but it would be helpful if you could tell them what medication you are already on, if you have any allergies to medication, blood type and maybe medical history as well.

Also, to a lesser extent, you might also want your next of kin informed so your family know where you are and what has happened to you?
 
Hahaha, what?



Then you're in luck, as that'll never happen.

really they can put them anywhere. Credit cards, phones etc.

There are readers than have already be on the black market that can read the information on them on people passing by.

They talked about bringing them in at work and it was refused due to the chance that people could steal your identity from just walking alongside you with a reader.
 
True but it would be helpful if you could tell them what medication you are already on, if you have any allergies to medication, blood type and maybe medical history as well.

Also, to a lesser extent, you might also want your next of kin informed so your family know where you are and what has happened to you?

<<< is a serving Police Officer.

Guess what in 22 years of attending to bad smashes etc., I've never encountered anyone where we have not been able to ID them from either the contents of their wallet, the registration number of their car or passengers.

I'm also fairly sure, but any Doctor or Paramedic reading this can correct me, but when you can see someones brain through their skull or they have a piece of wooden pole from the fence at the side of the motorway going straight through them pinning them to their seat, then the last thing going through their mind is "ooo are they allergic to penicillin" or what blood group are they?

Stabilisation is the important thing - blood groups can be worked out fairly quickly and in many cases Next of Kin can be informed as you said as a secondary consideration, in many cases its within 15 - 30 minutes of a bad smash in any event.

Hosptial records are on computer, if you can give them a name and address they can within minutes find out some history about you.

It doesn't require an RFID chip being implanted in you.
 
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Stuff that made my day

-Brofist-

I'm also fairly sure, but any Doctor or Paramedic reading this can correct me, but when you can see someones brain through their skull or they have a piece of wooden pole from the fence at the side of the motorway going straight through them pinning them to their seat, then the last thing going through their mind is "ooo are they allergic to penicillin" or what blood group are they?

*This could have course end any chances of this guy living...... oh well lets give him the shot anyway*

I can see that happening a lot and the NHS not going under from the malpractice law suits .... oh wait.
 
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then the last thing going through their mind is "ooo are they allergic to penicillin" or what blood group are they?
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What?
Medical history is extremely important as is blood group and allergies to antibiotics.
And no not all blood groups can be worked out quickly. my mum has to carry a card as she has an extremly rare blood type and will not be identified in a quick match.
 
What?
Medical history is extremely important as is blood group and allergies to antibiotics.

Yes but in a bad smash the last thing they're going to do is give you some Antibiotics to stop infection. Its all about stemming blood loss etc. It doesnt matter that in 1987 you had your appendix out.

Back at the hospital they tend to start administering drugs.

At the scene its all about pain relief, stemming blood loss, restarting the heart etc,. Usually by the time they've got to the Hospital we've found out who they are from other sources.
 
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I don't have a problem with it, hate to be the odd one out. They can put one in me as long as it's got a record of me being available for organ donation when I'm dead.

you're not the only one. I have no problem with it at all.
 
Yes but in a bad smash the last thing they're going to do is give you some Antibiotics to stop infection. Its all about stemming blood loss etc. It doesnt matter that in 1987 you had your appendix out.

Back at the hospital they tend to start administering drugs.

At the scene its all about pain relief, stemming blood loss, restarting the heart etc,. Usually by the time they've got to the Hospital we've found out who they are from other sources.

And as soon as they are back to hospital they are rushed to theatre when this info is extremely important. They do not have time to do blood matches.
 
And as soon as they are back to hospital they are rushed to theatre when this info is extremely important.

I'm sure it is but hey guess what. They do this all the time at the moment and still manage to save peoples lives - and they're not implanted with an RFID chip - which if memory serves me right was one of the touted benefits from the videos in the original posters post.
 
I'm sure it is but hey guess what. They do this all the time at the moment and still manage to save peoples lives - and they're not implanted with an RFID chip - which if memory serves me right was one of the touted benefits from the videos in the original posters post.

save most lives, there are some people they kill.
Using RFID will also give you a greater chance of survival as doctors can have access to all your records. Something which will significantly increase your chance of survival. So yes it does exactly what it says on the tin.
 
It's ok, someone'll just invent an EMP gun and take out hundreds of these chips by firing it at large crowds.
 
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