I'm intrigued too, what's with the fish fingers?!
I had a go at some kid in the street
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I'm intrigued too, what's with the fish fingers?!
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This is a discussion forum. Get over it.
There are much worse threads out there.
Good on you OP. It is only littering at the end of the day, but if more people actually stood up to chavs about this and other things, then they may not be as bad as they are...
I think the following information might convince you for the opposite actually.
Homeoffice report: refers to other research done that proves links between anti-social behaviour and serious crime as well as giving some stats on the UK population (mind you this info is only from people who actually filled it in themselves and posted it back)
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/r245.pdf
More importantly:
NACRO study from crimereduction UK
http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/antisocialbehaviour/antisocialbehaviour11.pdf
Just to highlight the most important bits from the second study (it mentions the 'broken window theory' as well):
"Several studies have suggested that if anti-social
behaviour is not addressed, it can act as a catalyst for
more serious crimes. Skogan (1990) refers to this as the
‘contagion theory’, suggesting that the ‘presence of
vandalism stimulates more vandalism’.21 This is
supported by many studies which found that the
presence of anti-social behaviour such as vandalism,
rubbish or criminal damage leads directly to more antisocial
behaviour.22 Wilson and Kelling23 refer to this
contagious effect as the ‘broken windows theory’. This link between disorder and crime is supported by the
results revealed in the 2000 British Crime Survey, which
suggests that areas in which respondents perceived
disorder to be highest also had the highest levels of
actual crime."
Also:National Evaluation of childrens fund
http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/rr623.pdf
quote: "that addressing early anti-social behaviour by
children, or the risk of such behaviour, is a key measure in the prevention of the
child’s development of more serious offending behaviour"
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I'm not dismissing what you've just posted but I'll explain why I personally think the Broken Windows theory is wrong.
I live in a fairly decent area where there's nothing really derelict at all, no major vandalism. However, in my area theft, particularly house burglary and people stealing items left in cars is, iirc, higher than all the other crimes commited.
The reason I think this says that that theory is false (and this is my personal observation of course) is because where I live doesn't suffer from disorder yet there is still crime and disproportionately higher amounts of crime in terms of stealing, then unless I missing something really obvious, I can't see the link between disorder and crime in this case.
Again, I'm not denying the presence of those studies supporting the theory (but there are also counter studies) but I still am not convinced one minor disorder leads to a major crime without there being other factors involved.
Read this thread from page three:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17985578&page=3
My eventual response:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17985913
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There are some things to decouple here. Just because you experience a high level of crime without an equivalent level of antisocial behaviour does not mean there is no link between them.
It could very well be that you are experiencing this due to high levels of illegal substance abuse which, as it happens, is much higher correlated to theft. It also depends on how you define antisocial behaviour, petty theft such stealing car stereos, newsagents items etc could be classes as antisocial behaviour, its not only about shouting, littering and loitering.
Criminal behaviour does not necessarily result from antisocial behaviour alone but from other - sometimes separate issues. That does not decrease the probability that antisocial behaviour does indeed lead (statistically) to criminality.
Of course I do not suggest that one incident of antisocial behaviour alone will lead someone to become a criminal, but as AB is derived from other factors itself and it often leads to wider AB itself (one AB incident will easily lead to more statistically) then it has a high probability. Obviously you need other 'problems' to add onto your AB to make you turn to crime, but it's much easier to slip into crime if you are already a yob than otherwise. Hence the link.
I would be interested in those counterstudies if you have something particular in mind (I am saying this seriously, I'm not condenscending or anything).
Regards,
kgi
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Fair point, but it doesn't deem "sensational" enough to warrant a post in my eyes, but yes GD is a good place for the junk to be spoken.
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No but it proves its inconsistent which is enough for me.
Drugs may be involved but I don't see how because my particular area is full of Tory voting old people (i.e. young people aren't hanging around on corners dealing) and there aren't many kids/teenagers about at all. A burglary that I know was commited to a family friend sounded like it was done by so-called professional thieves i.e. it was done during the middle of the day, they commited the act very clinically as if they'd never been there, etc.
The point is we get crime, its just for different reasons. I would class stealing from a car a crime though, above anti-social behaviour.
I would simply make the argument that there is more of a link between crime and poverty in general.
I have none in particular, I've just seen them mentioned or have seen quotes, although they're not related to this country unlike your rather comprehensive post.
Like this link below mentioning the New York crime rate being related to drugs or the quote from the wikipedia link:
http://neighbourhoods.typepad.com/neighbourhoods/2006/04/its_curtains_fo.html
Lol, anyone would think I'd done something wrong by telling the brat to pick up his can. There's obviously people here who support what I did, and I thank them for that, yet there's still these othere idiots who actually think I'm wrong, who think I'm the angry one while they're the ones ranting at me for this and that.
It's nearly 6 pages long, has sparked discussion, and I haven't posted since page 2. Such a boring thread. What would have made it more interesting for you, gay porn?
It's nearly 6 pages long, has sparked discussion, and I haven't posted since page 2. Such a boring thread. What would have made it more interesting for you, gay porn?
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Believe it or not but, yes, it is a discussion, and we're allowed to have a differing opinion to your own without being called an idiot or the suggestion that we would prefer gay porn.
Please please please go buy some waterbombs and film a direct hit from above for me!
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The real question is :
How many Southmead 12 year olds can you take out in one ruck?
I reckon I'd get about 5 before they overpower me and start stamping on my face.
How many Southmead 12 year olds can you take out in one ruck?
I reckon I'd get about 5 before they overpower me and start stamping on my face.
Believe it or not but, yes, it is a discussion, and we're allowed to have a differing opinion to your own without being called an idiot or the suggestion that we would prefer gay porn.
You certainly are entitled to a different opinion. It's just a pity that every bit of drivel you type is so utterly retarded. I suppose that's what comes from boredom.
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I'm a bum atm..."
Lol.
I communicated with him well. I said thank you to him with a smile after he picked up the can to show I respected what he had done. I didn't tell him to **** off with a flea in his ear like so many people would. So why don't you get a grip matey.
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Which hasn't been updated since I joined.
Keep on going with the insults. I'm enjoying them.
Which hasn't been updated since I joined.
Keep on going with the insults. I'm enjoying them.
I have better things to do and am not interested in this thread escalating into
me v ocuk any more than it seems to do have done already. I posted about a small event and people have taken the ****, had a go at me, and generally acted like juveniles. Personally I think the thread would be better off closed now.
I have better things to do and am not interested in this thread escalating into
me v ocuk any more than it seems to do have done already. I posted about a small event and people have taken the ****, had a go at me, and generally acted like juveniles. Personally I think the thread would be better off closed now.
I think most people have just expressed their opinions tbh, some replies are just done so in a more sarcastic way to emphasise their point.