The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[Stag]

London is massively more multicultural and multiracial than the UK average.

I don't see that as a bad thing, if anything it means the opinions of the residents of London are more informed by first hand experience on the subject.

A Londoner will have experienced more multiculturalism than most, therefore their opinions should be valuable on the subject. I see no reason why such a debate shouldn't have been in London?

 

[meghatronic]

I would ask him by what legal changes, negotiation and consent he intends to, as his party's constitution states, restore the ethnic makeup of 1948 Britain.

For example, how he intends to remove 4.6 million non-whites from the UK, 50% of which were born and have lived their entire lives in the UK.

Did you even watch the program? He answered that question.

I don't see that as a bad thing, if anything it means the opinions of the residents of London are more informed by first hand experience on the subject.

A Londoner will have experienced more multiculturalism than most, therefore their opinions should be valuable on the subject. I see no reason why such a debate shouldn't have been in London?

Look at the demographics of the audience.

 

[The_Judge]

Obviously people dont agree with some of his views including myself, but hes entitled to them. The whole thing was just set up to shaft him

 

[Nexus]

More or less.

Not really.

Just look at the areas that won the BNP seats in Europe.
Yorkshire - It has a massive Asian population. You can hardly say it's not multi-cultural and a true representation of how British society is now.

The key difference I'd say between London and somewhere like Bradford (I've lived in both) is that in Bradford, everyone is segregated much more into white and asian communities by housing estates. This is what led to the riots a few years back.

 

[Rich_L]

The audience was far from rigged, if it was representative of the voting patterns it would look like:

66% apathetic, 33% voters, of which 2 would be BNP supporters (Europe 2009)

40% apathetic, 60% voters, of which 1, at a push rounding up, would be a BNP supporter (UK 2005).

Maybe BNP supporters need to get into their thick skulls that their views really are that unpopular

Did you even watch the program? He answered that question.

I don't think he did, is that where he said 'oh you can stay'?

 

[Stag]

FWIW I don't think the London venue is to blame here, so much as the BBC's decision to rig the audience. While London is more multicultural and multiracial, there was hardly a normal British white person in the audience and they aren't that thin on the ground in London just yet.

I wonder if anyone has actually done a breakdown of the ethnicity of the audience?

London is about 70% white, does that mean the BBC should have a policy of ethnic representation in their audiences? I imagine the application for the audiences were higher for ethnic minorities because of Griffins appearance, you are jumping to a conclusion that the audience was "rigged".

 

[dirtydog]

The audience was far from rigged, if it was representative of the voting patterns it would look like:

66% apathetic, 33% voters, of which 2 would be BNP supporters (Europe 2009)

40% apathetic, 60% voters, of which 1, at a push rounding up, would be a BNP supporter (UK 2005).

Maybe BNP supporters need to get into their thick skulls that their views really are that unpopular ?

Are you suggesting that only those who vote BNP have any sympathy at all with BNP policies on things like immigration?

 

[Rich_L]

No, I'm saying that if the audience was representative of the voting pattern, the 'avid' support would still have been minimal.

Tell me you aren't suggesting that the BNP actually has a wide support base but they just vote otherwise

 

[stockhausen]

There is a good 2001 Panorama analysis of the BNP here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/default.stm, complete with a RealPlayer version of the program..

 

[dirtydog]

I wonder if anyone has actually done a breakdown of the ethnicity of the audience?

London is about 70% white, does that mean the BBC should have a policy of ethnic representation in their audiences? I imagine the application for the audiences were higher for ethnic minorities because of Griffins appearance, you are jumping to a conclusion that the audience was "rigged".

Anyone who watched the programme can see that the make-up of the audience was not representative of Britain, or even of London, remotely. If the BBC did receive more applicants from 'antis' then that doesn't mean they couldn't still have chosen a more representative audience. Are we to believe that so few white British applied that only a handful were suitable to join the audience?

 

[The_Judge]

The funny thing is Labour are just as bad as the BNP (for other reasons), hopefully neither will be in power.

 

[dirtydog]

No, I'm saying that if the audience was representative of the voting pattern, the 'avid' support would still have been minimal.

Who said it should be representative of the voting pattern?

 

[Rich_L]

Because it's a political show, and y'know, people vote and stuff, so if you want an audience representative of the voting public it might be an idea to base it on how people vote?

 

[dirtydog]

Because it's a political show, and y'know, people vote and stuff, so if you want an audience representative of the voting public it might be an idea to base it on how people vote?

Who voted for the Yank on yesterday's programme?

The audience should broadly reflect the make-up of the population as a whole. Regardless of who they have voted for in the past.

Clearly it isn't only BNP voters who have some sympathy with at least some of what the BNP says. How often do you hear people say 'I don't support the BNP, *but* I agree with what Nick Griffin says about such and such' ?

 

[Orcish-Horde]

Not really.

Just look at the areas that won the BNP seats in Europe.
Yorkshire - It has a massive Asian population. You can hardly say it's not multi-cultural and a true representation of how British society is now.

The key difference I'd say between London and somewhere like Bradford (I've lived in both) is that in Bradford, everyone is segregated much more into white and asian communities by housing estates. This is what led to the riots a few years back.

Does Yorkshire have a massive Asian population? I never noticed it when in Yorkshire, when you get away from the innercitys multi-culturalism only exsists on the BBC. Outside London and a few other citys there is not much in the way of multi-culturalism.

 

[Rich_L]

As I said at the time, given there are roughly the same number of Americans in the UK as there are BNP voters, I think the 'Yanks' appearance was entirely reasonable

 

[Stag]

Doesn't look that unrepresentative to me.

 

[LOAM]

indeed, there's a lot of people wearing purple

 

[Stag]

Anyone who watched the programme can see that the make-up of the audience was not representative of Britain, or even of London, remotely. If the BBC did receive more applicants from 'antis' then that doesn't mean they couldn't still have chosen a more representative audience. Are we to believe that so few white British applied that only a handful were suitable to join the audience?

I'd say the majority of that audience was white.

 

[dirtydog]

I'd say the majority of that audience was white.

I am impressed with your ability to discern race and nationality from that photo.

Even of the whites they seemed to be loony leftists / anarchists / unwashed student types. Or poncy stuck up Tory Boy types. Where were the average British men and women, the normal people not political extremists or establishment types?