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vonhelmet said:
How does corporal punishment help that? Can they not commit burglaries with a sore bottom? Or are we betting that corporal punishment will stop them burgling after one caning? Do we have evidence for that?
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Burglary isn't a petty crime, it would receive a stiff prison sentence (unlike now), not corporal punishment.

That is the sort of policy most people want to see, tough prison sentences for convicted burglars. Unlike successive LibLabCon governments who have failed us all on crime due to soft sentencing.
 
dirtydog said:
Almost certainly carried out by someone who has previous CONVICTIONS for burglary. Most crime is carried out by repeat offenders. Funnily enough they can't commit burglaries while they're in prison.
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And even more amusingly, putting them in prison increases the chances of recidivism when they are released, because societies obsession is with punishment rather than rehabilitation...
 
dirtydog said:
Burglary isn't a petty crime, it would receive a stiff sentence (unlike now), Nick'G would administer the sentence himself too, he likes to exercise his aryan superioity complex
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So now we know why he dose not like men of african descent, if the urban myth is right the african man would administer a far harsher stiff sentence :eek:
 
dirtydog said:
Sure does. 100% of people locked up after the 3rd strike never reoffend :eek::D
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They do, on the inside, daily, forever, causing damage, costing money for repairs, medical bills for staff and compensation, medical bills for other prisoners.

And it go's on and on. :rolleyes:

To at least try and rehabilitate and release is to at least try and end the cycle.
 
dirtydog said:
Sure does. 100% of people locked up after the 3rd strike never reoffend :eek::D
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But does it actually help prevent crime?
And at what cost?


IIRC it doesn't do much to prevent crime in the first place as for a lot of the crimes the detection rate is still very low (so not much worry about being caught), and it's extremely costly to keep a lot of people locked up for life (money that might be much better spent on catching/preventing crime),
It also leads to the situation where people know they are going away for good the next time they are caught, but that still doesn't stop them, but does make them that much more desperate to not get caught (which can/does result in more serious crimes in an attempt to hide their tracks/get away).
 
dirtydog said:
Just think of all the police and court time and money saved, not chasing and repeatedly locking up the same repeat offenders time after time after time after time ad infinitum... :)
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Alternatively, we could reform the prison system to try and reduce reoffending...

Would the three strikes rule include drink drivers? After all, that is a common repeat offence...

And just to add some substance against the 3 strikes law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_strikes_law#Effects_of_.223_Strikes.22_in_California
 
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Hitman_Leon said:
They do, on the inside, daily, forever, causing damage, costing money for repairs, medical bills for staff and compensation, medical bills for other prisoners.

And it go's on and on. :rolleyes:

To at least try and rehabilitate and release is to at least try and end the cycle.
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Sure you try rehabilitation, but three chances to live a life free from committing serious crime is enough, most of us only need one chance and we take it.
 
Werewolf said:
But does it actually help prevent crime?
And at what cost?


IIRC it doesn't do much to prevent crime in the first place as for a lot of the crimes the detection rate is still very low (so not much worry about being caught), and it's extremely costly to keep a lot of people locked up for life (money that might be much better spent on catching/preventing crime),
It also leads to the situation where people know they are going away for good the next time they are caught, but that still doesn't stop them, but does make them that much more desperate to not get caught (which can/does result in more serious crimes in an attempt to hide their tracks/get away).
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Most burglars / drug dealers etc. do get caught and convicted several times in their criminal careers.

Anyway this is pretty off topic, the BNP doesn't have a 3 strikes policy, that is my idea. So how about we go back to the topic, the BNP....
 
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dirtydog said:
Sure you try rehabilitation, but three chances to live a life free from committing serious crime is enough, most of us only need one chance and we take it.
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Most of us?,

Most of who?,

I for one never needed one chance to use up, maybe you should rephrase.

dirtydog said:
Sure you try rehabilitation, but three chances to live a life free from committing serious crime is enough, most of us never need one chance let alone three to take.
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look through prison populations, majority are un-educated.

Make conditions of release to become skilled and educated therefore eradicating the greatest cause of criminality, most criminals only need a chance to become a productive member of society, most are never given the chance.

I would say murderers, sex offenders and violent offenders should be exculded from the above.
 
Hitman_Leon said:
look through prison populations, majority are un-educated.

Make conditions of release to become skilled and educated therefore eradicating the greatest cause of criminality, most criminals only need a chance to become a productive member of society, most are never given the chance.
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Of course they are given the chance. Everyone gets the chance.

I agree with you that once convicted and imprisoned, they should receive quality education, training and every kind of help to live a law-abiding and productive life upon their release. I just don't think they should get unlimited chances at that.
 
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