EVGA GTX 295

[kylew]

So if ATI get their act together a 5870 will beat a GTX295? Maybe it will, but right now it doesn't. And that is a very pesky fact.


At idle it uses 45W less because you are not supporting two cards. Very few PCs run at anything other than idle most of the time.



Well, as far as I know it is latest and fastest card with an NVidia chipset therefore it is the latest technology. That is a fact. It's not the latest AMD technology, but it is the latest technology.



You see, I think that's where you show your true colours. When ATI had a faster card you were annoyed that no-one listened. It was faster. Now, I hate to break it to you, but the GTX295 is faster, and that is another pesky fact.



Amended for veracity.

What's wrong with you? It's not the latest technology, it's old technology in fact.

It's not even the latest nVidia technology either, the GTS220 is technically the latest nVidia techology.

Even then, what the hell does it matter? It's not the latest technology, but so what? What are you trying to prove?

The label "latest technology" is brand agnostic, you don't seem to understand this when it's being said about nVidia.

 

[widdyst]

LMAO at all you fanboys

 

[kylew]

LMAO at all you fanboys

Nice of you to contribute.

 

[WJA96]

That argument is entirely stupid.

Not so, what I WROTE was correct. Now that could be down to my poor communiucation skills or it could be that you read it in the most negative way possible.

Just because it's NVidia's latest high end offering doesn't make it new Technology.

I didn't say it was new - I said it was the latest. The two are completely different and what was posted was correct.

 

[WJA96]

What's wrong with you? It's not the latest technology, it's old technology in fact.

There's nothing wrong with me. You really do need help. It's very, very, obvious from your posts.

 

[WJA96]

Look at the reviews, with very early beta drivers, the card (as I said) goes toe to toe with the well established dual GPU monster, which is supported by very mature and optimised drivers. You can cling to the hope that ATI will not improve things, but c'mon, do you really think that will not happen? What about DX11 titles, what happens then if all you have is your 'latest tech' 295? If I was a betting man, I would say we could come back to this in six months time and the situation will look very different. I'll not argue, that right now the 295 has a slight advantage, but when you are dropping 300 beer tokens on a part you have to look at the situation as a whole.

As stated in the original post, I buy NVidia cards because they are significantly better than AMD cards for Folding@Home. I actually buy the BFG GTX295 H2OC cards because they the fastest of all and I have a seriously big water-cooling system.

I have a 5870 to play with and it's great, but if you want to buy a card today, a GTX295 is faster in most scenarios. Yes, it's more expensive, but so what? Faster is always more expensive and the more you reach towards the top-end the more the cost ramps up for the increasingly small increment in performance.

You are also banking on the drivers improving. Why? If AMD could have made it faster from the outset, don't you think they would have? NVidia have to constantly update the drivers because of the way SLi works, it needs to be tweaked for different games, so you always need the latest drivers for the latest games. I have no doubt that the drivers will improve, but will they really improve enough? I do hope so.

Which is still a significant amount more than the 5870, and as for load, well the numbers speak for themselves. Own up, you made something up and were caught out with a 20 second google search. idle.. tee hee

Not entirely true. I was aware that it idled better, I'll admit to being surprised it used the same at full power, but if you think about it most of the power is going to feed the GPUs, so it makes sense that whether they are mounted on one motherboard than two they use the same power.

er... wut!
Did you even stop to think before you posted that? It may well indeed be the latest NV tech, but it is still last gen.

The problem with the whole 'next gen' argument is that it doesn't always mean it's better. The McLaren F1 is decidedly 'last gen' but it's still a record holder in all sorts of ways.

I couldn't have cared less, I just liked to lol at the hypocrisy.

There is no hypocrisy. At least not on my part. I have both AMD and NVidia. I have mainly BFG because they have done me proud in the past and they kick AMD into next week for F@H. As far as I'm aware, no-one makes an out of the box water-cooled AMD card

Keep reaching for that rainbow.

Never stopped mate , even after I got the first couple of pots of gold.

If the OP is dead set on a NV card (nothing wrong with brand loyalty as long as it is tempered with some common sense), then my advice would be to wait and see what Fermi brings, that's what I am doing. Buying an expensive, hot, power hungry [xmaspanto]oh yes it is[/xmaspanto] and very soon EoL DX10 part right now just seems like madness to me.

Well, I think that's fine, but Fermi may never arrive and to anyone asking what is the top card available today, I still say GTX295.

Quoted again for the sheer, WTF'ness

Like I said, it's true.

 

[kylew]

There's nothing wrong with me. You really do need help. It's very, very, obvious from your posts.

Something wrong with me? How so exactly? Some one saying old technology is the latest is quite bizarre indeed. It's as if you only count graphics technology if it comes from nVidia, and even then you'd be wrong as I said the GTS220 is newer technology.

So, as for me, what is it exactly I need help for? Not buying in to the rubbish you talk? Because I think everyone around here needs help for that too.

 

[MrPink]

ok guys good debate going on here about the 2 cards anyway, ime gonna try and get the 5870 anyway. what helped seal the deal was looking at a video of dx10 vs dx 11, quite a difference and very impressive indeed. looked up a lot more benchmarks of the two cards also. i dont think that i can justify getting a card for that money which isnt dx11 compatible!!!

any other comments??

 

[kylew]

ok guys good debate going on here about the 2 cards anyway, ime gonna try and get the 5870 anyway. what helped seal the deal was looking at a video of dx10 vs dx 11, quite a difference and very impressive indeed. looked up a lot more benchmarks of the two cards also. i dont think that i can justify getting a card for that money which isnt dx11 compatible!!!

any other comments??

You've summed it up pretty well yourself there.

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[MrPink]

cool thats the deal then, this should be the build

XFX ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card [HD-587A-ZNF9]

*OVERCLOCKED* Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping (SLBEJ) @ 4.00GHz Max / Asus Rampage II Extreme Intel X58 Motherboard / Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz DDR3 Bundle []

hopefully maybe early next year ill put in a second 5870 aswell

 

[Bloomfield]

I didn't say it was new - I said it was the latest. The two are completely different and what was posted was correct.

Well there's 2 things wrong with what you said:

1. As already said, it isnt the latest nvidia tech.
2. You seem to think the 5870 should be called "the latest AMD tech" yet the gtx295 is older, but should be referred to as "the latest tech".

So basically what you're saying is that new tech from AMD doesn't seem to count at all, and that the gtx295 is the latest tech, despite not even being the latest nvidia tech.

As for the OP, i have the EVGA GTX 295, which i'm very happy with, it's an excellent card, but ifi was to buy a GPU now, it'd be the 5870. Simply because it's only slightly behind the 295, but is DX11 capable.

Now if you'd asked a few months before they were released wether you should wait for the 5 series cards or get a 295, i would have said the opposite, but now that they're out and available(some places ) it seems pointless buying one, unless you want the absolute best right now, and were going to replace it when DX11 games come out in a decent amount.

So good choice OP, and enjoy your new card

 

[elpedro]

Think the argument between 295 and 5870 boils down to, what does "better" actually mean.

GTX 295 is faster in more games than the 5870 but is not a better card. That's my opinion atleast, one I'm sure is shared by the majority as I don't base a graphics card purely on the framerate it spits out.

Why?

• Its hotter
• Based on an old architecture (GT200, June 2008)
• Relies on drivers to scale performance (SLi)
• Isn't DX11 compatible
• Cannot support three monitors (granted not a major factor for most)
• Consumes considerably more power
• Coming to the end of its product life
• Poor value for money (OK, bit better with OcUK's value 295s)

Also based on my opinion, it doesn't look anywhere near as good as the 5870. I did like Nvidia's drivers and control panel, probably more than CCC but as a company, I think their morals have strayed.

The only reason I can see getting a 295 over a 5870 is due to the 5870's immense desirability, you cannot find one in stock. You find a bargain 295, you spend more time folding than you do gaming or you are bought one, in which case you should sell it and buy a 5870.

Finally, I'd just like to point out, my previous card was a GTX 280 and one of the best cards I've ever owned!

 

[xGaffner]

cool thats the deal then, this should be the build

XFX ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card [HD-587A-ZNF9]

*OVERCLOCKED* Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping (SLBEJ) @ 4.00GHz Max / Asus Rampage II Extreme Intel X58 Motherboard / Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz DDR3 Bundle []

hopefully maybe early next year ill put in a second 5870 aswell

You made a very very very good choice. Don't listen to anyone that recommends a GTX 295 over a 5870. That is ridiculous. Enjoy your beast of a card with your DX11.

 

[kylew]

Think the argument between 295 and 5870 boils down to, what does "better" actually mean.

GTX 295 is faster in more games than the 5870 but is not a better card. That's my opinion atleast, one I'm sure is shared by the majority as I don't base a graphics card purely on the framerate it spits out.

Why?

• Its hotter
• Based on an old architecture (GT200, June 2008)
• Relies on drivers to scale performance (SLi)
• Isn't DX11 compatible
• Cannot support three monitors (granted not a major factor for most)
• Consumes considerably more power
• Coming to the end of its product life
• Poor value for money (OK, bit better with OcUK's value 295s)

Also based on my opinion, it doesn't look anywhere near as good as the 5870. I did like Nvidia's drivers and control panel, probably more than CCC but as a company, I think their morals have strayed.

The only reason I can see getting a 295 over a 5870 is due to the 5870's immense desirability, you cannot find one in stock. You find a bargain 295, you spend more time folding than you do gaming or you are bought one, in which case you should sell it and buy a 5870.

Finally, I'd just like to point out, my previous card was a GTX 280 and one of the best cards I've ever owned!

I thought there were 295s that had 3 display outputs? Was this not a standard feature?

 

[Bloomfield]

I thought there were 295s that had 3 display outputs? Was this not a standard feature?

No, mine only has 2 dvi, and when i was deciding which one to get i think most (all?) only had two outputs.

 

[unknownsock]

I bet your electric bill is massive...

 

[entireweb]

You made a very very very good choice. Don't listen to anyone that recommends a GTX 295 over a 5870. That is ridiculous. Enjoy your beast of a card with your DX11.

The only game I can see worth getting for DX11 woud be Crysis 2 and thats due Q4 2010. Even dx10 cards can use the most useful part of dx11 which is multicore support. It will be a year or more until DX11 in gaming is the norm IMO. by which time the current first gen 58xx will look like junk. Even then the next "system benchmark killer" ID software "RAGE" is open GL so dont even use directx.

So whats the point in getting a dx11 card now, when there is nothing decent that uses its features?? Its fools gold IMO.

I have a gtx 295 and it sh&ts on any game I throw at it. Its overkill. I couldnt care less about power consumption and electricity costs. I even paid less for the the gtx295 as the "non existant" 5870.

My advice would be to get a gtx275 with free batman, and use a old nvidia card for physx. This setup will cost half of the 5870 and will play all of the current decent games very well indeed. When some decent dx11 games come out, then I might think about a dx11 card!

 

[markiejt]

or get a 295 now upgrade to ferm then use 295 as ultimate physx card! watch that paper and rocks fly!

 

[ejr22]

LMAO at all you fanboys

+1

 

[entireweb]

or get a 295 now upgrade to ferm then use 295 as ultimate physx card! watch that paper and rocks fly!

I would agree with you, but I benchmarked my 8800gt at stock and overclocked for Physx, and it made no difference to the FPS for Batman. Thus I think a gtx295 for Physx would be absolutely overkill. However, I am waiting for the noobs with the "Emperors new clothes", to dump there GTX295s on the bay. Then I will buy another next year and run quad SLI. Ha Ha Ha Ha. But that will be for my second "reserve", grid machine.

For my gaming system, I will buy into Fermi, because I am sure it will crap on the 5870x2.

Its going to be so funny when the gt300 is available to see the faces of the ATI fan boys looking at there dud, ha ha ha.