Told to turn it down.

Maybe I should go around my neighbours and bang on her door and complain about how quite it is. lol Some people are so inconsiderate with their lack of sound. :mad:









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I figure annoying the neighbours every now and again is fine.
I live in a terraced house, on an upper floor & find that the bass travels through the floors & walls very well; despite the sub being on a huge piece of slate with 2" rubber mat below; and insulation in the floor.

I don't start a film any later than 8:30pm if its one that I want to watch with the sub going full tilt; most of the time I can just turn the sub off & watch TV and the sound is decent enough.

As for music, well sometime's I'll put it on loudly for a few hours but again, not too late & not too frequently.

I believe as long as no-one is a persistent annoyance, then there's got to be enough give & take to get along.
 
Netvyper, you're totally right. We should all be entitled to our periods of aural and visual pleasure, sometimes at loud volumes. As long as we try and think about where the boundaries are and not push it too far constantly so that were a non stop nuisance to the community. Obviously some people like to cause a confrontation and enjoy the agro that comes with it but most people just want to be able to enjoy without disturbing others.
 
Where did we give our consent to having someone enter the premises to fine or take away paid for goods? sounds like theft to me.

Tell that to the car driver that has his/her car crushed for driving without tax/insurance/mot/whatever. Or the computer hacker that has his equipment taken after he gets caught breaking into nasa's computers.

For that matter, the drug dealer who gets his stash taken as evidence.

Sure loud music may seem minor to you, and sure, its not a "criminal" offence, but its still breaking civil laws, and they have powers to enter premises, fine, and remove offending goods. (Normally a warning will be given before sound systems are removed mind)
 
Not sure how the process works, never had dealings with it. But I would hope someone who suddenly gets caught up in it because of a complaint isn't threatened with equipment removal because of a one off first time offence.

Let us remember that the system can be abused and it can cause hell for people who are not malicious, but the aggressor is the neighbour who will complain about any little thing and even make things up to get any kind of authority on their case, that's a nuisance in itself :rolleyes:
 
Is there any case law here?

How often can a certain amount of noise be made without falling foul or is any amount of noise illegal and you just hope no one complains
 
Is there any case law here?

How often can a certain amount of noise be made without falling foul or is any amount of noise illegal and you just hope no one complains

When the local authorities ask you to write a log of the noise, they also ask you to note how it is affecting you. There may be case laws but there are no hard and fast rules during daylight hours. It also depends on how badly someone is affected by the noise and also the manner in which the noise is being made. Someone playing loud music for an hour a day at lunchtime, severely irritating their neighbour to such an extent where it is causing them a great deal of stress can end up with an abatement notice, a fine and their equipment taken away.
 
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Does anyone know how much SPL is allowed during the day?

Something like closing a car door can produce a large amount of SPL, if only for a short time, and I'd be interested to see what the wording is....

I imagine noise laws are quite hard to enforce, considering not all of us listen to sine waves!

EDIT: Just read the post above, no levels set in stone then, I can imagine a lot of one persons word against another type cases then...
 
At our last student place we had noisy neighbours who'd play their music all evening. We were very quiet (by their own admission), and they didn't see a problem with playing their music loudly every evening.

After exams had finished we started watching films in the evening (large hi-fi speakers + projector), with the films usually ending at about 10-10:30pm.

Within 5 films (on different days) we had the council knocking on the door telling us to turn it down, and explaining how they could seize the equipment if we continued :rolleyes: Not sure how much further they could have taken it past a quick chat on the doorstep. If I'd known they'd respond so quickly I'd have complained about the neighbours, but we were moving out the next week anyway :)
 
I guess I am quite lucky. On one side our neighbours really don't care about the sound. The other side do care, but they will text me to let me know if it's a little too loud, which isn't often.

They have a 20 year old daughter that has music on quite loud at times, and I have never complained about that, so they I guess are more tolerant than normal. I don't plan on moving anywhere while I have these neighbours, it rocks ;D
 
The problem with apartments, especially modern ones is that the walls are so thin and the sound proofing is next to useless. Luckily i live in a old victorian building converted into apartments so the walls are generally pretty thick. But I've got a friend that lives in a new build apartment and they can even hear there neighbours talking at times. So music even at a low volume is going to seem to loud.

Best bet is to get some good quality headphones.
 
I got a really hot date with two girls who came up to complain about my music in this flat

They came up and I just appologized and asked them in for a drink to "work with them so I can enjoy my movies without disturbing you" and ended up inviting them both out to dinner (well it would be unfair to take one out and not the other wouldnt it)

In gneeral work with your neighbours and they will be a lot more sympathetic to an occasional blast (when THAT song / movie scene just HAS to be played loud) if you rile them, everyone gets p'd off
 
Speaking as someone who has suffered from having a noisy neighbour, I am firmly in the camp that you need to actually have some respect for others and some consideration.

Now, I'm only 30 and I enjoy watching a loud film, just as much as anyone, however when my downstairs neighbour (yes I live in a flat, and no, that does not mean I should for go my right a nice life and just put up with whatever is thrown at me - anyone that thinks that is nothing more than a complete idiot!!!) started playing loud music all day long I made several complaints to both the local housing trust (the flat below is council owned)

Now, I'm not a party pooper or a moany old woman who doesn't like anyting loud, I'm a normal person and can put up with the occassional loud party etc, however this was different as it was everyday and the music was so loud it made my entire flat vibrate, radiators were buzzing, things on the shelves were rattling etc etc

In my opinion, and that of the local authorities, this was unsocialable behaviour, and they took action against my neighbour!!
 
In related news, I live in a block of flats on the 6th floor, I don't have a garden or any land. I bought a horse, and my neighbours are complaining when I take him up in the lift, and the near constant neighing that he does. Plus he's a bit heavy footed around the flat. Jeez you'd think some people would be able to respect the fact that I have a right to own an animal in my own flat. Some of my neighbours have cats, and another one has a budgie but I don't go knocking on their door complaining about them.
 
Something like closing a car door can produce a large amount of SPL, if only for a short time, and I'd be interested to see what the wording is....

From what I can make out from the enviromental protection laws, its pretty much any noise which is considered a nuisance by the person complaining. The actual wording is very vague, with no absolute numbers. I have heard that several studies have been made, and certain types of noise can dramatically increase stress, in particular bass, and also hammering noises.

For example, my next door neighbour has a kitchen extractor fan, with a faulty bearing, and it sends quite annoying vibrations through the wall, its low frequency, and not that loud, but it can keep me awake for hours unless I am completely exhausted. But rather than complain I'll just read or watch some TV. At least they dont complain when I crank up the sound system (including a sub).

The brain is quite remarkable, it can learn to filter out a constant sound (like a PC left turned on for example), but changing noises, like hammering, or sub bass coming though the wall is to "random" for the brain to filter and can be very annoying.
 
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For example, my next door neighbour has a kitchen extractor fan, with a faulty bearing, and it sends quite annoying vibrations through the wall, its low frequency, and not that loud, but it can keep me awake for hours unless I am completely exhausted. But rather than complain I'll just read or watch some TV. At least they dont complain when I crank up the sound system (including a sub).

The brain is quite remarkable, it can learn to filter out a constant sound (like a PC left turned on for example), but changing noises, like hammering, or sub bass coming though the wall is to "random" for the brain to filter and can be very annoying.
It's similar with the eye also, a flashing light will be more distracting than a light that is at a constant brightness...

About the fan, they can reach some pretty low frequencies, I think the fundamental frequency can be found by simply dividing the RPM by 60, but don't quote me on that... I was reading about infrasonics (ultra low frequency sounds) recently, and this caught my eye:

wikipedia said:
Research by Vic Tandy, a lecturer at Coventry University, suggested that the frequency 19 Hz was responsible for many ghost sightings. He was working late one night alone in a supposedly haunted laboratory at Warwick, when he felt very anxious and could detect a grey blob out of the corner of his eye. When he turned to face it, there was nothing.
The following day, he was working on his fencing foil, with the handle held in a vice. Although there was nothing touching it, the blade started to vibrate wildly. Further investigation led him to discover that the extraction fan was emitting a frequency of 18.98 Hz, very close to the resonant frequency of the eye (given as 18 Hz in NASA Technical Report 19770013810). This was why he saw a ghostly figure — it was an optical illusion caused by his eyeballs resonating. The room was exactly half a wavelength in length, and the desk was in the centre, thus causing a standing wave which was detected by the foil. [21]
Tandy investigated this phenomenon further and wrote a paper entitled The Ghost in the Machine. He carried out a number of investigations at various sites believed to be haunted, including the basement of the Tourist Information Bureau next to Coventry Cathedral [22] and Edinburgh Castle. [23][24]
Perhaps 'ghost hunters' should start carrying SPL meters? :D
 
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