I think there's also a point to be made here that you should do some research on what you're buying before you part with any cash. If a morally grey person thinks they can sell you something for a bad price, they will. They're a business and they'll earn more money from doing that.
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Build no. But I know you can get a resale P4 based computer with XP Pro and a 15" TFT for under £150. Oh and a mowse + buttonboard.
I'm not saying the specs are amazing or that it's good for anything other than office work but you can get it. With a guarantee
I'm not saying the specs are amazing or that it's good for anything other than office work but you can get it. With a guarantee
When was the pc bought?
Was W7 available to buy at the time?
Did he inform them that it was a RC and explain what it meant?
Did he offer to install the full release once available?
What proof have you got that he did anything but try and do somebody a favour and your reaction to the computer has put them off attempting to explain to you anything that may have been said during the consultation?
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well he does have to make some profit......
Back street shop or online retailer? Fairly large difference, even more so when you start taking into account time spent discussing the system with clients in the shop and the almost guaranteed phone calls for a few days afterward.
Back street shop, well, fairly large main road actually but it's got a lot of small businesses on it.
There's no discussion about it, you get what's there, they buy in old computers from businesses, do them up and sell them with their guarantee. They also get TFT's and other computer equipment.
Like I said earlier, the guy running it says the money is in repairs. Before anyone says it, no the computers and laptops that come in do not look like the ones he sells, for a start it would be madness to buy one of the refurbished computers and have it repaired, you'd end up with a bill higher than the cost of the PC/Laptop o.0
There's no discussion about it, you get what's there, they buy in old computers from businesses, do them up and sell them with their guarantee. They also get TFT's and other computer equipment.
Like I said earlier, the guy running it says the money is in repairs. Before anyone says it, no the computers and laptops that come in do not look like the ones he sells, for a start it would be madness to buy one of the refurbished computers and have it repaired, you'd end up with a bill higher than the cost of the PC/Laptop o.0
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Well I tried to argue the price off a P4 base unit from there once by saying I didn't need the power cable, mouse or keyboard but they weren't having any of it 
I suppose if you were to get a 15" TFT along with a base unit you could be a bit more pushy about price ^_^
I suppose if you were to get a 15" TFT along with a base unit you could be a bit more pushy about price ^_^
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Build no. But I know you can get a resale P4 based computer with XP Pro and a 15" TFT for under £150. Oh and a mowse + buttonboard.
I'm not saying the specs are amazing or that it's good for anything other than office work but you can get it. With a guarantee
So what are the major differences between this £150 deal and the "dodgy" £250 deal? What mobo did the £250 have?
Are those £150 jobs office refurbs? Was the £250 job built with new kit? How long ago was this bought?
The cheapest retail priced components I could find were,
Cheap Case £17
Cheap PSU £28
DVD drive £12
Motherboard £35
CPU £34
Ram 2gb £30
Hard drive 160gb £29
Graphics card £40
Keyboard and mouse £9
Monitor £89
As such I am not sure what I would expect if I went to a average street PC store and slapped £250 on the table and said build me a computer for general home use and occasional gaming.
Yes I am talking about refurbished PCs and laptops, they won't buy from the public so it's business and educational stuff.
I'll pull a spec from what they have on offer:
P4 2.8GHz
1024MB RAM
40GB HDD
DVD/CD RW
8xUSB + Ethernet
Windows XP Pro
Keyboard + Mowse = £105
15" TFT = £30
So... that's £135. No one can undercut that and stay sane.
I'll pull a spec from what they have on offer:
P4 2.8GHz
1024MB RAM
40GB HDD
DVD/CD RW
8xUSB + Ethernet
Windows XP Pro
Keyboard + Mowse = £105
15" TFT = £30
So... that's £135. No one can undercut that and stay sane.
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I am asking you what the £250 spec PC was sold as, IE was that new or refurbished?
And when did they buy it? Were the periphials new or used? Did it get built for them, tell you what, why not list a complete spec inc case PSU and mobo, plus some pictures?
I am still saying you cannot BUILD one NEW for that price, and eBay is not the same as walking into a shop and dealing with a salesman. Buying second hand is not the same as paying retail for up to date spec.
As for buying second hand, well you take your chances, just about every buisness has a competitor, can you imagine a world where all neighbors took it in hand to complain about someones agreed purchase price due to seeing it cheaper on ebay or such
PS it's mouse, and your above spec doesn't include a x800xt which can fetch up to £25 on ebay, and certain 2nd hand retailers such as CeX
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Well anyway,
Its the OP's post I should be more specific of, we don't have all the details, and regardles of what you can get, we do not know if it is identical or under the same circumstances of the original OP's neighbors shop choice. You can get the exact same PC/monitor/mouse/from the exact samje shop for £150?
I can get sausages cheaper from Asda than Sainsbury's but I don't make a fuss about where the wife buys em.
Now maybe I should start digging up the neighbors reciepts, and telling them they could have had a free five year guarantee if they shopped elsewhere for their telly.
I would like to be a fly on the wall when the OP goes round with his neighbor to complain about a £250 PC not being as good as "he" expected LOL
Its the OP's post I should be more specific of, we don't have all the details, and regardles of what you can get, we do not know if it is identical or under the same circumstances of the original OP's neighbors shop choice. You can get the exact same PC/monitor/mouse/from the exact samje shop for £150?
I can get sausages cheaper from Asda than Sainsbury's but I don't make a fuss about where the wife buys em.
Now maybe I should start digging up the neighbors reciepts, and telling them they could have had a free five year guarantee if they shopped elsewhere for their telly.
I would like to be a fly on the wall when the OP goes round with his neighbor to complain about a £250 PC not being as good as "he" expected LOL
I'd be polite about it mate, when you go back to the shop, explain they wanted something capable of modern gaming, explain that their son was disappointed and he couldn't play his game properly.
Get them on your side, get the money back then don't deal with them again. Don't go seeking blood.
Explain to your neighbours what they need and get it ordered from OcUK for them
+1 Be assertive not aggressive and they should then treat the situation fairly.
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Basically your are wasting your time, they went to a shop and asked for a general purpose PC and they had that budget. What did the shop owner have in teh way of choices, and what did they like about that one?
Care to post a pic of the machine, what are the actual components, motherboard, hard drive etc? Was it second hand? A mix of old and new? Built for them? I guess he would have had to intall the OS and configure it all with drivers and such? Was any of the cost labour for downloading and installing the RC OS? Personally I don't see why there is a problem? Is he a second hand shop or a charity? Did he have loads of stock to get rid of or what?
So when you get them their money back, are you going to build/buy them this GTA 4 capable machine with an OS/monitor/periphials for £250? Let us all know as I have a few friends who would like such a budget wonder!
What makes you think the guy is a scheming rat? do you have a breakdown of his finances and proffit margins? Video evidence of his plot against these neighbors and the dastardly plan he hatched to thwart them from their precious £250?
What is he getting away with that is so shocking? Is it not more shocking that the customers did no investigation whatsoever into what they may need? After all there is the internet, not to mention all those magazines, and there son who plays GTA 4 and I guess other games on the PC (did they ask the shop owner to install this for junior)?
I wouldn't be too bothered about dealing with him, more yourself, after all your the one getting worked up about it and wanting to hit people, and regardless of new or second hand, it is a RC OS and they may have asked for it to be installed?, I would only be concerned if they had paid for the OS.
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Im going to ask an admin to close this thread as its just a troll fest now.
The point of the matter is he mis-sold the product knowing full well it wasnt capable of what they wanted.
He sold it with a RC OS which expires in 4-5 months time instead of a genuine install as promised. Im sure theres some infringment there.
He ripped them off thoroughly as you can buy MUCH better second hand rigs if you shop around mainly online.
Im going to ask an admin to lock this as its become a trolling thread now. Some people on this forum really need to stop being such an ass.
The point of the matter is he mis-sold the product knowing full well it wasnt capable of what they wanted.
He sold it with a RC OS which expires in 4-5 months time instead of a genuine install as promised. Im sure theres some infringment there.
He ripped them off thoroughly as you can buy MUCH better second hand rigs if you shop around mainly online.
Im going to ask an admin to lock this as its become a trolling thread now. Some people on this forum really need to stop being such an ass.
also FYI
£255
E8400 Core 2 Duo @ 3GHz
Asus P5QL PRO (775)
4GB DDR 800Mhz MEM
Hitachi 500GB HDD
ATI RADEON 4850
Write master DVD RW
Antec 900 case
With keyboard and mouse. They could have then spent £50 on a cheap TFT and they have a MUCH more capable rig
Or
£300
q6600 @ 2.40 GHz
4gb mem
nvidia gtx 260 graphics card
500 gig hard drive
Antec 900 case
22" monitor
Mouse + keyboard
Theres plenty of deals to be had if you look around and ignore these backstreet thieves
£255
E8400 Core 2 Duo @ 3GHz
Asus P5QL PRO (775)
4GB DDR 800Mhz MEM
Hitachi 500GB HDD
ATI RADEON 4850
Write master DVD RW
Antec 900 case
With keyboard and mouse. They could have then spent £50 on a cheap TFT and they have a MUCH more capable rig
Or
£300
q6600 @ 2.40 GHz
4gb mem
nvidia gtx 260 graphics card
500 gig hard drive
Antec 900 case
22" monitor
Mouse + keyboard
Theres plenty of deals to be had if you look around and ignore these backstreet thieves
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Most of these guys are salesman and have very limited knowledge of equipment, that extends to "frontstreet" salesman to.. PC world and alike.
All I see is you ignoring the relevant questions.
Did he though, again we only have your side of the story, in fact we have even less than that, we have your opinion and no facts whatsoever apart from the specifications and cost.
As promised? would you care to elaborate as it would give us more information that has been asked for.
See the comments about online versus retail outlets.
Now we're down to insults because you've failed to answer anything relevant and have gotten yourself worked up over it, I'm guessing you are now attempting to get the thread locked by your own behaviour.
OS? That's nearly £400 all in before any labour costs in setting it up.
OS?
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