Ugh probably caught speeding

No, I don't interpret his statement that way.

Millions of people do speed every day, and some people die as a result of that.

The majority of speeders get away with it and don't cause any problems, but that doesn't mean it's OK to do it.
 
No, that's not what I was getting at.

My point is that speeding does not automatically make you a danger on the road.
 
It automatically makes you more of a danger than someone not speeding.

It might not make you an immediate danger when nobody jumps out or crosses unexpectedly, but because nobody knows when that's going to happen, or if it will happen, my statement above stands imo. It's always potentially more dangerous to do it if something happens.
 
dirtydog said:
You didn't read what he said then, it was perfectly clear.
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I'm quite literate, and evidently it wasn't that clear as we both interpret it in different ways.

Speeding is more dangerous than driving at the speed limit because of the points I've already made. I don't know how to make that any clearer for you.

If you use your reasoning to justify speeding, then I think you're wrong, and probably the reason why there are so many cameras in the first place.
 
alexhull24 said:
It automatically makes you more of a danger than someone not speeding.
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Again not necessarily. What if my reactions are a lot faster than the driver who isn't speeding?

It might not make you an immediate danger when nobody jumps out or crosses unexpectedly, but because nobody knows when that's going to happen, or if it will happen, my statement above stands imo. It's always potentially more dangerous to do it if something happens.
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As above, the chance of an accident occuring has a lot more factors than simply speed.
 
Tute said:
Again not necessarily. What if my reactions are a lot faster than the driver who isn't speeding?
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Then you have a better chance of reacting quicker, but this may well be cancelled out by the fact you're travelling faster. Had you not been speeding, you would have had an even better chance at stopping. Who are you to judge how good your reaction times are though? You can't just say 'I have good reaction times, so I can drive faster than someone who doesn't.'

As above, the chance of an accident occuring has a lot more factors than simply speed.
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I certainly don't dispute that point. But as you said, speed IS a factor. One which makes it more dangerous.
 
The officer must form the opinion that you are speeding before he/her targets you with the detector. Can they do this if you accelerate early going into an NSL section?

Or were they just monitoring the 40 section.
 
Well if it's a mobile speed van then the discretion is taken away. I was watching one of the Police Stop shows the other night. There was one stretch of road. It was a 40MPH speed limit. The van was set at 51MPH. The van caught loads in this time - and it was in clear sight.

Sadly it's just people who think they have the reaction times of a ninja or the car's better than the average, etc. It's just excuses. I'd love you say to the police 'sorry I was going 90MPH and tailgating officer but I have brilliant reactions, excellent breaks the rules shouldn't apply to law abiding citizens such as myself'.



M.
 
[TW]Fox;15396779 said:
Actually only something like 7% of accidents are caused by speeding.
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Got a source bud? I'd like to back up my point with some figures.

So then I assume some fatal accidents are caused by speeding, which confirms the point I am trying to make. There is a good chance that in some of the other accidents speed was also a factor, even if the accident was caused by another thing entirely.
 
Some "official" figures are much higher, but they are in fact only quoting the number of accidents where a party was speeding, not where speeding was the cause.
 
[TW]Fox;15396804 said:
Some DFT report from a while back.

Loads on http://www.safespeed.org.uk.
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And two prominent quotes from this anti speed limit pressure group
Road safety is complex, subtle and sensitive like a precision built clock.

After over 100 years of living with motor transport we have learned much about how to manage enormous potential danger on our roads. We have learned as individuals, we have learned as engineers and we have learned as a society. Road safety is finely tuned and balanced and for the most part works very well indeed.

Road safety is primarily a matter of psychology.
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Possibly not true in the case of the nine or so people killed on the roads every day.
A speed camera is a blunt and heavy instrument, like a hammer.

It has far reaching effects. It changes driver behaviour. It changes everyone's safety priorities. It changes the way the roads are policed. It has done immeasurable damage to the police / public relationship. Far from being a precision tool, it's the equivalent of a rather heavy and badly aimed hammer.

Speed cameras are obviously bad psychology.
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I would certainly agree that speed cameras should now be replaced by average speed cameras which are much better psychology.


The big problem with the people who oppose speed cameras is that they never seem to have any practical suggestions for preventing serious injury or loss of life for thousands of people every year.
 
alexhull24 said:
No, I don't interpret his statement that way.

Millions of people do speed every day, and some people die as a result of that.

The majority of speeders get away with it and don't cause any problems, but that doesn't mean it's OK to do it.
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have you actually looked at the percentages of accidents where the CAUSE was the excess speed ?
 
stockhausen said:
The big problem with the people who oppose speed cameras is that they never seem to have any practical suggestions for preventing serious injury or loss of life for thousands of people every year.
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Divert the funding to other areas where the number of lives saved would be greater.
 
So... given that the vast majority of accidents don't involve breaking the speed limit, yet millions of people speed every day.. isn't speeding actually less dangerous than not speeding? Seeing as how the accidents are almost all caused by non-speeding.

:p
 
[TW]Fox;15397015 said:
Divert the funding to other areas where the number of lives saved would be greater.
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"other areas" :eek:

As I am sure you are aware, people constantly point out that speed cameras make money for the Government so "diverting the funding" isn't going to work either ;)

But still, "other areas" is a wee bit vague, isn't it?
 
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