Mininova deletes all illegal material

stockhausen said:
I suspect that many people who write books, play and record music and develop software do so with some expectation of being paid money for their effort?

Piracy does rather circumvent this in that they are deprived of payment, doesn't it?

As a result, I really don't have a problem with piracy being described as theft . . . it seems that we don't agree on this . . . I suspect that most victims of piracy would side with me rather than with you over this . . . c'est la vie . . .
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They are only derived of payment if they would have received it in the first place.

I use Photoshop from time to time for silly little things. I never would have paid for the full product, and if I had no other alternative, would use something like Gimp... but as I am used to Photoshop, I just continue to use it.

Has Adobe lost out on anything by me doing so?

No.
 
stockhausen said:
I suspect that many people who write books, play and record music and develop software do so with some expectation of being paid money for their effort?

Piracy does rather circumvent this in that they are deprived of payment, doesn't it?

As a result, I really don't have a problem with piracy being described as theft . . . it seems that we don't agree on this . . . I suspect that most victims of piracy would side with me rather than with you over this . . . c'est la vie . . .
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You make the grand assumption that 1 pirated copy = 1 lost sale.

The record/film industry love people like you.
 
stockhausen said:
I suspect that many people who write books, play and record music and develop software do so with some expectation of being paid money for their effort?

Piracy does rather circumvent this in that they are deprived of payment, doesn't it?

As a result, I really don't have a problem with piracy being described as theft . . . it seems that we don't agree on this . . . I suspect that most victims of piracy would side with me rather than with you over this . . . c'est la vie . . .
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Because someone that sings over 3 minute beat really deserves instant millions anyway? The music industry needs to be cut down a few pegs. I've always believed that songs should be free and you should pay for the right to see them live. If they make good music people will pay through the ear to see them, sorted. Perhaps then the world would embrace the festival/gig spirit more.

And books are completely different, there is very little book piracy on the net, and it certainly doesn't cut much into the publisher's profits.

Movies... again, I'd like to see a lot of the crap come out of Hollywood have more creative control. Reducing their profits would go a long way towards this.

All in all people like you are complaining about feeding multi million pound production companies you've likely never really heard of, or lining the pockets of already filthy rich people. People who download are not thieves or scum, they just don't believe in the cause enough for it to reflect strongly in their conscious. You have to ask yourself why that is. Or maybe just millions of us are horrible cruel criminals stealing food from 50-cent and Lady Gaga's table.
 
BubbySoup said:
You make the grand assumption that 1 pirated copy = 1 lost sale.

The record/film industry love people like you.
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If I saw a movie at the cinema, then told a friend it was really bad, and they didn't go and see it as a result, I've done more harm than if I had no intention of paying to see the movie and downloaded it.
 
Sawell said:
Because someone that sings over 3 minute beat really deserves instant millions anyway? The music industry needs to be cut down a few pegs. I've always believed that songs should be free and you should pay for the right to see them live. If they make good music people will pay through the ear to see them, sorted. Perhaps then the world would embrace the festival/gig spirit more.

And books are completely different, there is very little book piracy on the net, and it certainly doesn't cut much into the publisher's profits.

Movies... again, I'd like to see a lot of the crap come out of Hollywood have more creative control. Reducing their profits would go a long way towards this.

All in all people like you are complaining about feeding multi million pound production companies you've likely never really heard of, or lining the pockets of already filthy rich people. People who download are not thieves or scum, they just don't believe in the cause enough for it to reflect strongly in their conscious. You have to ask yourself why that is. Or maybe just millions of us are horrible cruel criminals stealing food from 50-cent and Lady Gaga's table.
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Good point.

I've never heard of an up and coming person fail to break the market due to piracy, or indeed someone famous who has made much moolah go bust as a result of it.
 
krooton said:
If I saw a movie at the cinema, then told a friend it was really bad, and they didn't go and see it as a result, I've done more harm than if I had no intention of paying to see the movie and downloaded it.
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But what about if you downloaded the movie and then told the friend not to see it? You've done more harm then than going to the cinema and then telling the friend.
 
If you're looking for an analogy you wouldn't expect to walk into Wembley stadium on FA cup day, spot an empty seat on the touch line and demand to be allowed to sit there and watch the match for free because "it's not depriving anyone of anything physically and I'd never have paid for the seat anyway".

If you see enough value in something to use it then buy it. If you don't see enough value in it to pay for it then go without. If you place enough value on something to breach copyright and be open to a civil action against you (no matter how unlikely) then maybe just pay for it in the first place.

Too many people want something for nothing and try to muddy the argument with crap arguments about "evil corporations" and "wouldn't have bought it anyway so no one loses out".

It's wrong to rip off the product of someone else labour just because you're unlikely to get caught m'kay.
 
Athanor said:
If you're looking for an analogy you wouldn't expect to walk into Wembley stadium on FA cup day, spot an empty seat on the touch line and demand to be allowed to sit there and watch the match for free because "it's not depriving anyone of anything physically and I'd never have paid for the seat anyway".

If you see enough value in something to use it then buy it. If you don't see enough value in it to pay for it then go without. If you place enough value on something to breach copyright and be open to a civil action against you (no matter how unlikely) then maybe just pay for it in the first place.

Too many people want something for nothing and try to muddy the argument with crap arguments about "evil corporations" and "wouldn't have bought it anyway so no one loses out".

It's wrong to rip off the product of someone else labour just because you're unlikely to get caught m'kay.
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No one's demanding anything?

If I could see Wembly stadium from my window I'd watch every match. Thanks for that analogy, it actually works against you, lol.
 
Basher said:
But what about if you downloaded the movie and then told the friend not to see it? You've done more harm then than going to the cinema and then telling the friend.
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They should make better movies then ;)

If I told someone the entire plot to a movie, making them not pay to see it, I have deprived them of a sale, so is that just as bad as piracy?
 
Athanor said:
It's wrong to rip off the product of someone else labour just because you're unlikely to get caught m'kay.
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How wrong something is tends to be dependent on the individuals ethics and morals.

Loads of people think sex before marriage is wrong, loads don't... so which is it?
 
stockhausen said:
I suspect that many people who write books, play and record music and develop software do so with some expectation of being paid money for their effort?

Piracy does rather circumvent this in that they are deprived of payment, doesn't it?

As a result, I really don't have a problem with piracy being described as theft . . . it seems that we don't agree on this . . . I suspect that most victims of piracy would side with me rather than with you over this . . . c'est la vie . . .
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Are you going to watch a film at a cinema tonight?

If not, do you think the people involved in producing films don't do so with the expectation of being paid money for their effort? And you're not going to visit a cinema tonight?!

In that case they are deprived of payment, and as a result, by not going to the cinema you are committing theft!
 
Al Vallario said:
Are you going to watch a film at a cinema tonight?

If not, do you think the people involved in producing films don't do so with the expectation of being paid money for their effort? And you're not going to visit a cinema tonight?!

In that case they are deprived of payment, and as a result, by not going to the cinema you are committing theft!
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Hahaha!
 
Al Vallario said:
Are you going to watch a film at a cinema tonight?

If not, do you think the people involved in producing films don't do so with the expectation of being paid money for their effort? And you're not going to visit a cinema tonight?!

In that case they are deprived of payment, and as a result, by not going to the cinema you are committing theft!
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I think his point was that if you watch the film, you should pay. Obvioulsy if you don't watch the film, you don't.
 
For people complaining about not getting TV shows anymore why not use EZTV? That's where 95% of the shows on Mininova came from anyway. EZTV + uTorrent + RSS = never miss an episode of your favourite show again!
 
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