All that money spent on Win7 and not enough left for good actors, tsk.

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i don't think anyone's got a problem with the touch technology itself, just touch implemented into a monitor that's at a distance from your hands, unlike the iphone which is in your hands to begin with , that's why it works well with a phone.

And who is to say it won't be closer to you on a monitor? The reason monitors or so far from you is to make room for the keyboard and mouse...
 
Oh, and mouse more accurate than touching with your finger? How is using a mouse pointer more accurate than simply poking the thing you want to click?.

The tip of a mouse cursor is 1 pixel. The tip of your finger is quite a bit bigger than that. And you can drag a cursor 1 pixel at a time with a mouse, try doing that by dragging your finger across a screen.

A mouse cursor can be moved back and forth across the length of the screen in less than a second, your finger cannot. A mouse can have acceleration applied to it, your finger cannot be sped up.

Not to mention that it takes very little actual movement to use a mouse, as opposed to waving your arm about, and you can keep your hand rested on the desk at all times. Holding your hand in the air for hours would not be fun.

Plus you can have several buttons on a mouse, plus you don't get finger marks on the screen, etc. etc.

Okay so if a touch screen had a keyboard displayed on it, it'd be a keyboard right? So why would it take you 10x longer to type on it? That's confusing.

With a real keyboard you don't just see where the keys are, you feel them, you can feel the gaps between the keys, which makes it far easier to type, and to know when you have hit a wrong key. To type blind on a polished flat surface would be very hard. Also the keys move down on springs when you press them, which creates a cushioning effect for your fingers. Hitting a hard surface is not as nice.
 
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Inherently inferior because of what? Nothing. They are only "inherently inferior" to you because you don't want to use them.

Wrong, it should be self evident to anyone who's used a computer that touchscreen will always be inherently inferior. I can't be bothered to explain because your mind is already made up regardless so I won't waste my time.

Others like Ziggy above have touched on some of the failings of touchscreen though.

I could add things like keyboard shortcuts and use of context menus (right click) would be awkward or impossible with touchscreen.

ATEOTD the useful applications for touchscreen are limited and should remain so. It is attempting to 'solve' a 'problem' that does not exist - keyboard and mouse works superbly and intuitively, and there is no need or demand for change.
 
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Microsoft are amazing at ads, just look at the Songsmith commercial:

They should use proper marketing and just output this on prime time across all the US TV channels


Then right at the end just put ".. written by Sarah, aged 7 using Microsoft Songsmith".

That's all it requires..
 
They don't get how touch should work, do they? For example slide between photos on an iPhone and you get a visual clue (call anticipation in the trade) showing you the next one coming. In that video he slides his finger with no visual clues and then the next picture just appears. I bet you don't get a visual indicator that you are at the end of a picture stream (again look at the iPhone with the slide and bounce back telling you you have reached the end)

Again another problem is the OS still requires a double click (at least in the video). Double click is stupid in a touch interface.

I do wish MS would stick to selling us the actually good features of Windows 7 (and there are quite a few) rather than shove this tacked on crap at us. Oh and get some decent marketing people maybe even the ones Apple us because even if you don't like Apple you have to admire the marketing machine. Hell even the packaging is thought about.

Come on Microsoft you can do better. Oh and Windows 7 was his idea not mine.
 
Wrong, it should be self evident to anyone who's used a computer that touchscreen will always be inherently inferior. I can't be bothered to explain because your mind is already made up regardless so I won't waste my time.

Others like Ziggy above have touched on some of the failings of touchscreen though.

I could add things like keyboard shortcuts and use of context menus (right click) would be awkward or impossible with touchscreen.

ATEOTD the useful applications for touchscreen are limited and should remain so. It is attempting to 'solve' a 'problem' that does not exist - keyboard and mouse works superbly and intuitively, and there is no need or demand for change.
Can't be bothered to answer? That old chestnut, eh? More like can't come up with a reasoned response.

The "lack of feel" is nothing of concern. I can type on this keyboard (iPhone) just as quick as a normal keypad.

Lack of right click? No, double tap and press and hold replaces it (as it does on iPhone).

There is no RSI with touchscreen, there is with a mouse. Natural movements with touchscreen, much more intuitive than a mouse.

If you can't move your hand from one edge to the other in a second you must have a weak arm simply put. Not that such a flippant thing actually matters. Pixel accuracy? Who needs it? And as for "fat fingers" the iPhone (and many other screens) make it easy to place a cursor in a line of text, for example.

Drag drop? Easily done. This is simple, simple interface design. Just because your are currently drag dropping with a mouse and clicking/releasing, does not mean you must click/release on a touch screen.

And just lol at the hard surface vs "cushioned" keys. Everyone with a touch screen phone must have bruised finger tips then?
 
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Others have outlined the most obvious failings of touchscreen and I have added a few more points to it. What more can we say. You have already decided we simply hate it because it's new or something.
 
its technology implemented for the sake of implementing it. to give something new to sell for the manufactures of screens and monitors, just like the motivation for something new to sell after the dvd specification had been in for a while. the manufacturers agreed they needed something new , and hi-def was born, and so was a new era of revenue.


i cant imagine how many times i may have to wipe down the screen from all the finger marks and smudges too.


its not like we have been crying out for a new way to interact with a computer , and this comes along as a well needed saviour in technology, its just something extra that's not really needed, but can maybe co exist in some small area of industry or something.


you cant say this will work in large screen computer monitors just because it works with your phone,, the usability gap is large , and its just like trying to introduce a mouse into using a phone as it is to introduce touch screens into desktop computing.

there isn't a need, things work great as we have them, nothing wrong with a mouse, its still a needed piece of technology , and it works.
 
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They don't get how touch should work, do they? For example slide between photos on an iPhone and you get a visual clue (call anticipation in the trade) showing you the next one coming. In that video he slides his finger with no visual clues and then the next picture just appears. I bet you don't get a visual indicator that you are at the end of a picture stream (again look at the iPhone with the slide and bounce back telling you you have reached the end)

Again another problem is the OS still requires a double click (at least in the video). Double click is stupid in a touch interface.

I do wish MS would stick to selling us the actually good features of Windows 7 (and there are quite a few) rather than shove this tacked on crap at us. Oh and get some decent marketing people maybe even the ones Apple us because even if you don't like Apple you have to admire the marketing machine. Hell even the packaging is thought about.

Come on Microsoft you can do better. Oh and Windows 7 was his idea not mine.

The double clicking confused me too, however having played with a Sony W7 touch screen you don't need to double click, just a single tap.


That's because macbooks are very plain and very easy to debrand (one small sticker over the apple logo) which is by and large why they are used in adverts a lot. It forces the eyes to the "site" being advertised not the box it's on.:)

I think we are taking the TS out of proportion. It's almost certainly going to be a long time before one replaces your keyboard and mouse on your desk (if at all for most people) however for a media centre on your wall mounted flatscreen TV it's perfect (as well as many other options, you could have some fun with paint and games for example), walk into your room and choose youf film by pressing the touch screen, used in conjunction with a remote control you wouldn't need a mouse and keyboard like you (mostly) need now.

As for gestures I think they are very much a gimick and will mostly fade out (as well as pinch to zoom and the finger scrolling of large lists, a scroll bar at the sides will get you to the bottom much quicker and the lack of one on my phone is a pain) except for certain key applications. As someone else said it almost certainly won't replace things in a lot of incidents however it will be another way of inputting information and controlling things (think of the home automation touchscreens we are seeing more and more).

And DD are you still using Windows XP?
 
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I don't see this taking off, like others have said, it's too much extra effort compared with using a mouse. I think the future for touch-based control is going to be with stuff like the Wacom Cintiq tablets.
 
And DD are you still using Windows XP?

I fear answering this on the grounds of self incrimination :) You may choose to infer a non-sequitur from it, such as that I resist all change towards new technology regardless of its merits, which could not be further from the truth.
 
Seems to be another case of showing how wide the divide is between IT gimps (sorry OcUK) and the average user of computers nowadays.

The average user probably types with one or two fingers at best and has absolutely no need to move things 1 pixel at a time.

That said, no matter how much things are widely adopted by the general public, there will always be stuff for said gimps - hell Linux exists doesn't it? ;)
 
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