Group B Monsters - I felt this deserved it's own thread!!

Housey · 6 Dec 2009 at 17:36

I am yet to see a video better than this on YouTube. For those who never saw Group B, or those who wonder what all the fuss was about, I urge you to sit down, turn up your speakers and spend 11 minutes of your life gaining an understanding! I know it should be in the Motorsport section, but so worth a general airing first as people might not venture in there

Sin_Chase · 6 Dec 2009 at 17:40

Aint nothing quite like Group B

Crossy · 6 Dec 2009 at 17:45

SWB Quattro.. What i would do for one of them!

Guy · 6 Dec 2009 at 17:46

Those Renault 5's look awesome!

GT3 · 6 Dec 2009 at 17:59

Nothing special, surely an integra would be a better buy

jellybeard999 · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:01

The thing I love most about these videos are the crowds, the sheer number of people and how close they get. TBH if the crowds were better controlled, it's unlikely people would have died in accidents. My uncle used to go to hamsterley forest (about 10 miles from me) to watch the GB rallies around this time. Wish I could have gone

loltim · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:02

So awesome. Best sounding car is still the Lancia Delta Integrale.

The_Dark_Side · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:03

What's interesting is when you realise that even with a 300bhp limit, every single one of the group B stage times bar one has been beaten by a group A car. Advances in suspension, brakes and more importantly ECU tech has made this possible.
On paper, 300bhp 1 tonne car kicks ass of 550bhp 1 tonne car doesn't stack up. But when you look at dyno plots it starts to make sense. The group A cars may be 200+bhp down, but look at their power curves. The make almost full power from 1000RPM above tickover, and sophisticated electronics allow them to have full power available at almost all times, compared to the older tech, laggy group B monsters.

The_Dark_Side · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:04

Tim said:
So awesome. Best sounding car is still the Lancia Delta Integrale.

I'd settle down and have kids with one of those.
The car that was going to replace it for the doomed Group S was going to be even wilder.

Disco Boy · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:04

6r4 <3 <3 <3

The_Dark_Side · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:05

jellybeard999 said:
The thing I love most about these videos are the crowds, the sheer number of people and how close they get. TBH if the crowds were better controlled, it's unlikely people would have died in accidents. My uncle used to go to hamsterley forest (about 10 miles from me) to watch the GB rallies around this time. Wish I could have gone

I've been there and seen the RAC a few times.
Pundershaw (spelling?) was my fave stage.

jellybeard999 · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:07

Tim said:
So awesome. Best sounding car is still the Lancia Delta Integrale.

6R4 tbh

The_Dark_Side · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:09

6R4=unreliable+not powerful enough.
Delta+turbo+supercharger+italian lunacy=WIN!

Dolph · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:11

The_Dark_Side said:
What's interesting is when you realise that even with a 300bhp limit, every single one of the group B stage times bar one has been beaten by a group A car. Advances in suspension, brakes and more importantly ECU tech has made this possible.
On paper, 300bhp 1 tonne car kicks ass of 550bhp 1 tonne car doesn't stack up. But when you look at dyno plots it starts to make sense. The group A cars may be 200+bhp down, but look at their power curves. The make almost full power from 1000RPM above tickover, and sophisticated electronics allow them to have full power available at almost all times, compared to the older tech, laggy group B monsters.

Yes, but what sort of times would group B be doing with modern technology?

thepeganator · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:11

Shame that:
a, it was ditched
and
b, modern WRC cars are as fast as group b cars were back then.

jellybeard999 · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:12

The_Dark_Side said:
6R4=unreliable+not powerful enough.
Delta+turbo+supercharger+italian lunacy=WIN!

I thought we were talking sound.

sigma · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:15

Tim said:
So awesome. Best sounding car is still the Lancia Delta Integrale.

I might be completely off the mark here but is that snapping sound when changing gear anti-lag?

Disco Boy · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:16

thepeganator said:
Shame that:
a, it was ditched
and
b, modern WRC cars are as fast as group b cars were back then.

yes, but they aren't doing it six inches from a large crowd, in a metro with a snow plough stuck to it now are they?

silane said:
I might be completely off the mark here but is that snapping sound when changing gear anti-lag?

Is that not the wastegate?

loltim · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:17

It's anti-lag/exhaust backfire.

Sin_Chase · 6 Dec 2009 at 18:18

silane said:
I might be completely off the mark here but is that snapping sound when changing gear anti-lag?

Certainly sounds like it, either that or just regular backfiring.