If you can donate some money it would be nice

mattheman · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:52

Dan87 said:
No.

it was their choice to take that career path.. If i decided to work in a paper factory and then whined about paper cuts and made websites and stuff - i'd be a ********.

Yes this is slightly more dramatic and sad but seriously - if you join the army there's a chance you could die, or a have a leg blown off. it's really quite simple. if you and your family couldn't deal with that. Don't join.

does my ****in head in

Most are very young, when your that age you dont think about what could happen, you think your undestroyable. Iam against the war, however not against help those that have suffered from the war, ie brits, i dont really care about the iraqs.

These are your country men they put there lives at risk to save your life to give you the freedom that you wish for.
Whats £5 pounds a pint or 2 down the pub.

Cuchulain · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:53

vonhelmet said:
Would you stop compensation for injuries sustained in any line of work? Surely builders are aware of the risks of their jobs, for example?

I would if it required the general public to uphold yet another charity to fund it.

Gilly · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:55

Cuchulain said:
I would if it required the general public to uphold yet another charity to fund it.

As pointed out no-one is forced to give to a charity.

Cuchulain · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:55

mattheman said:
Most are very young, when your that age you dont think about what could happen, you think your undestroyable.

When I was 17 I was tempted to join the Army, however, I realised I'd get shipped straight out to Northern Ireland and probably get shot, it doesn't take much intelligence no matter what age you are to realise what you're getting into.

Dan87 · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:55

vonhelmet said:
Would you stop compensation for injuries sustained in any line of work? Surely builders are aware of the risks of their jobs, for example?

stupid example. it's quite obvious it come with the territory if you join the army- you are a trained Killer.

if a brick falls on your face on a building site it's a bit different

Cuchulain · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:55

Gilly said:
As pointed out no-one is forced to give to a charity.

Who said they were? Why don't you cherry pick a post and completely ignore the point eh?

Gilly · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:56

Dan87 said:
stupid example. it's quite obvious it come with the territory if you join the army- you are a trained Killer.

if a brick falls on your face on a building site it's a bit different

Is it? You don't plan to get wounded in combat, you don't plan to get injured in work.

Vonhelmet · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:56

Cuchulain said:
I would if it required the general public to uphold yet another charity to fund it.

Haha, you think anyone in the general public is required to uphold a charity?

Conversely, do you not realise that you are already funding workplace insurance through the tax you pay?

Dan87 · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:56

Most are very young, when your that age you dont think about what could happen, you think your undestroyable.

:/

Vonhelmet · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:57

Dan87 said:
stupid example. it's quite obvious it come with the territory if you join the army- you are a trained Killer.

if a brick falls on your face on a building site it's a bit different

It's not quite obvious at all.

A bullet hitting your face is no more planned, expected or desired than a brick falling on your face.

Le_Petit_Lapin · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:57

Dan87 said:
Yes this is slightly more dramatic and sad but seriously - if you join the army there's a chance you could die, or a have a leg blown off. it's really quite simple. if you and your family couldn't deal with that. Don't join.

If no-one joined the armed forces then our government would not be able to look after our foreign interests or defend itself. This helps line your pockets however indirectly it may be.

They help you, so we should help them.

Cuchulain · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:57

vonhelmet said:
Haha, you think anyone in the general public is required to uphold a charity?

Conversely, do you not realise that you are already funding workplace insurance through the tax you pay?

If they don't donate to a charity, the charity no longer exists .. simple.

Could you also explain how my tax pay's for my bosses liability insurance?

Kutter · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:58

With some of these comments im ashamed to be british.

Wether you like it or not these guys are out there in our uniform and deserve our respect.

Cuchulain · 9 Dec 2009 at 12:58

vonhelmet said:
A bullet hitting your face is no more planned, expected or desired than a brick falling on your face.

If I was on a building site, a brick falling on me would be a whole lot more 'expected' than being shot in the face.

Dan87 · 9 Dec 2009 at 13:01

vonhelmet said:
It's not quite obvious at all.

A bullet hitting your face is no more planned, expected or desired than a brick falling on your face.

if you honestly think people who join the army should expect the same level as security as working on a building site there is no point in carrying on this discussion

Musty Pie · 9 Dec 2009 at 13:01

doofski said:
With some of these comments im ashamed to be british.

Wether you like it or not these guys are out there in our uniform and deserve our respect.

Its not that they dont respect what they are doing? they are just finding it hard to understand why more of "OUR" hard earned money is needed thats all.

I donate to plenty of charities and have the utmost respect for those serving in the force. But if people don't want to give then they should not be frowned upon for it.

Everyone has a choice regardless of situation.

Vonhelmet · 9 Dec 2009 at 13:03

Dan87 said:
if you honestly think people who join the army should expect the same level as security as working on a building site there is no point in carrying on this discussion

I don't think they're safe in the same way, but I'd expect their employer - the Army, and by extension the government - to take care of them if they're injured in the line of work.

Vonhelmet · 9 Dec 2009 at 13:04

Cuchulain said:
If they don't donate to a charity, the charity no longer exists .. simple.

That still doesn't mean that anyone is obliged to give to the charity.

Cuchulain said:
Could you also explain how my tax pay's for my bosses liability insurance?

I could be wrong... I'll re-consider.

Ah, I was thinking of schemes in other countries. No workman's comp in this country.

Gilly · 9 Dec 2009 at 13:06

Cuchulain said:
Who said they were? Why don't you cherry pick a post and completely ignore the point eh?

Can you be a darling and put the point in black and white please?

Sawell · 9 Dec 2009 at 13:17

A whole heap of ignorance being thrown around this thread.

Like it or not our armed forces protect many of the freedoms you take for granted.

The armed forces are and have been the very reason you are even alive. They are the people that put their lives on the line to uphold the warmongering nature of human beings, they're defence against people like yourselves that would aim pessimism and negativity towards something you don't fully understand, who would create argument where it is not warranted and drive hostility.

The amount of disrespect you show them is shameful, especially as historic members of your family probably died or were injured themselves to ensure you had access to the life you lead now. You would shun charities helping them? Shame on you.