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Some Nvidia Partners To Go Under ?

The contract would need to terminated in some form, and that would have to come from BFG's side as Nvidia are not going just going to let them walk.

Nvidia may be in breach, but we will never know, so no point in talking about it unless we have some evidence. If BFG did have grounds to terminate and wanted to go they would have.


It would make perfect scene. Nvidia are seen as the premier graphics card company, and as could replace BFG with any amount of willing company's. If you look back at some of the business decisions Nvidia have made, you will see thay are a *highly competitive group* prepared to go to great lengths to get what they want.

If BFG went to ATI it would hurt them a lot more than if they closed down. I bet they could replace BFG with a second class partner and work out a better deal for themselves. It would hardly impact on Nvidia at all with the current state of production. (Whilst getting the new cards ready.)

We cant debate as we don't have the contract in front of us but I think it safe to say that if any of the major Nvidia partners could have done deals with ATI they would have.
 
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But this very forum is always telling people those of us who buy high end cards are in the minority, and they make no real money for Nvidia or their vendors, all the money is made in the mainstream OEM market.

And now this is telling us because of the lack of high end parts vendors could go bust?

OCUK forum in being wrong shocker!!! :p
 
more to the point is that other potential future partners will be very very careful or even unwillign to work with a company that screwed its previous exclusive distribs. With nvidias plumeting reputation this aint doing them no favours.
Who here woudl really jump into an exclusive deal with them if they are hanging their loyal distribs out to dry?
 
WJA96 said:
Strangely enough - the people who actually crashed Lehman's aren't out of work. They're just working elsewhere. Many of the lowly clerks and admin people are out work, but the Ivy League MBA management that weren't kept on to run the remains of Lehman's all got nice jobs elsewhere almost immediately. And they're coining it in again.
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But no longer operating as Lehman, and goes to show that the highly successful US business people you admire are perfectly capable of making monumental company breaking cockups. Which was the argument, and nobody was saying that the people running BFG would suddenly find themselves out of work until the day they pass away.
 
Adrianr said:
But this very forum is always telling people those of us who buy high end cards are in the minority, and they make no real money for Nvidia or their vendors, all the money is made in the mainstream OEM market.

And now this is telling us because of the lack of high end parts vendors could go bust?

OCUK forum in being wrong shocker!!! :p
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Exactly
 
layte said:
But no longer operating as Lehman, and goes to show that the highly successful US business people you admire are perfectly capable of making monumental company breaking cockups. Which was the argument, and nobody was saying that the people running BFG would suddenly find themselves out of work until the day they pass away.
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Oh yes, I see your point now.
 
Adrianr said:
But this very forum is always telling people those of us who buy high end cards are in the minority, and they make no real money for Nvidia or their vendors, all the money is made in the mainstream OEM market.

And now this is telling us because of the lack of high end parts vendors could go bust?

OCUK forum in being wrong shocker!!! :p
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No, smaller niche manufacturers like BFG who don't sell massive numbers rely upon the midrange cards, and remember the 260-285gtx are now what would be considered midrange, when Fermi launches, as the past two generations the 260-285gtx would be sold as the midrange cards. Its the midrange thats always made the smaller companies like BFG/EVGA their money, high enough volume with decent margins. The ultra high end has very small volume even if a decent margin and the low end has such miniscule margins you need to be shipping millions and millions to make a decent survivable profit.

But a smallish vendor like BFG does rely on what is missing, the £80-300 market, which is non existant from Nvidia right now. Asus and the like are the guys that shift and focus on the massive volume market. How often will you see a Mesh, Dell, HP system with a bfg overclocked Gt210 in, rather than an asus, or palit, or gigabyte GT210 in. Those guys are monumentally huge suppliers, MASSIVE volume and sell lots of low mid and ok high end. BFG aren't that company they are magnitudes smaller than ASUS, they don't sell 5 million GT210's a year and yes almost all their profit comes from the midrange, still not the high end.

But the thing most people say on the forums is that NVIDIA and AMD and NOT their partners make the majority of their profits on the low and low/mid end range. Infact I very very rarely, if ever see anyone mention specific partners when talking about volume and profits, everyone talks about the gpu makers and no one else. Because they make all gpu's, no partner's make the gpu or are under any obligation to service the entire market, different partners have different goals. Basically what happening is those smaller guys who were focused on the mid and high end, have found that with no mid and high end cards shipping, they're boned, hardly surprising.

The problem is Nvidia don't make their name on stock Palit, gigabytes, sparkles, which aren't all that often reviewed, nor do they make there name on low end variants of their architecture. early reviews will often be reference cards from the company, how often do you see a round of reviews claiming fastest card ever with heavily overclocked low end cards after, rarely. While BFG, EVGA, XFX, ASUS and others have several overclocked versions which all get heavily reviewed, high end cards which are the reviews that get the word out that Nvidia are the fastest cards around. Losing BFG, XFX, EVGA makes a fairly big dent when it comes to releasing your latest high end expensive part that you want massively reviewed and lots of overclocked versions on every site.

As for Jigger, I have no idea what he's talking about, with very few exclusive partners, and the biggest in terms of focusing on the high end and overclocked parts which are the most frequently reviewed are leaving one by one, they have less people to sell cards when the Fermi is finally ready.

Somehow you manage to say it would hurt BFG more to sell AMD cards, than to shut down completely................ I have no words to explain just what a ridiculous statement that is. Its better to simply close up and retire, than make money selling AMD cards?
 
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wakayoda said:
If BFG are going down then why are people getting such good results RMA'ing 8800's to them and getting 280s back?
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Because BFG have no supply of direct replacement cards, they are burning through old stock and taking a big financial hit on it. They've exhausted stock in the UK pretty much and are having to ship replacements out from the US now.
 
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And Gainward, although they did ATI, now don't.
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But you also know, why they don't make new ATI cards - because they breached the contract with ATI and made a HD4850 with DDR5. So Gainward/Palit/XpertVision doesn't make ATI cards, because they don't get any HD5xxx cores. Zero pieces, nada, nothing.
 
BFG have low stock in the UK i have spoke to a guy that works there that has confirmed this,this always seems to happen to one company or another around xmas time...it happened last year with EVGA x58 mobos..as for BFG going under i doubt it as its a multi million pound company that sell loads of cards, psus etc...
 
thevet said:
BFG have low stock in the UK i have spoke to a guy that works there that has confirmed this,this always seems to happen to one company or another around xmas time...it happened last year with EVGA x58 mobos..as for BFG going under i doubt it as its a multi million pound company that sell loads of cards, psus etc...
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thevet, NVIDIA cards are "low stock" for few months now, and not because there is a big interest in buying them.
 
No, smaller niche manufacturers like BFG who don't sell massive numbers rely upon the midrange cards, and remember the 260-285gtx are now what would be considered midrange, when Fermi launches
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since when was BFG a niche manufacturer who doesnt sell massive numbers?

the straw poll of who sells a lot of units is who is stocked at retail level.

BFG are stocked in retail pc stores nationwide. from low end to mid end products (or were). this means they have huge sales. Especially compared to someone like;

Palit, POV, or Zotoc...to me those are the brands that would be likely to suffer...?
 
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