They launched a totally unprovoked attack on the car?
20mph speed zones cut road injuries by 40%, study says
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Every "residential" or "shopping area" road in Oxford is now a 20mph zone
The 20 section on headington/london road is annoying
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Probably almost none.
Once you add people to the equation, rhyme and reason disappear. For example, every road accident you ever saw that was caused by someone who did something stupid (and believe me I see these every week) was done by someone who did the same training as you. The difference is, you're always going to get a lot of people who know what they should do, but do something more risky because it'll save them 8 nano-seconds.
Have they stopped teaching the green cross code in schools, and not replaced it with an alternative?
Seemingly, yes. She was a middle aged woman - i've never actually met her though so cannot comment if there was more to the situation or not, but from my perspective, everyone of those chavs deserved broken legs.
I cannot comment on what I don't know 
I am aware that at least in this area, the justice service serve to avoid provocation/retribution attacks and always err on the side of being utterly pathetic with punishments and rulings. Previous harsh (but truly warranted) rulings caused much upset amongst those chavs prosecuted and the affected innocents got bricked/vandalised property etc.
I am aware that at least in this area, the justice service serve to avoid provocation/retribution attacks and always err on the side of being utterly pathetic with punishments and rulings. Previous harsh (but truly warranted) rulings caused much upset amongst those chavs prosecuted and the affected innocents got bricked/vandalised property etc.
But theres much more we can do to cut accident rates effectively whilst allowing cars to travel at more practical speeds.
What is more practical in a built up area than a 20mph zone? and how is driving at 20mph not practical?
Some 20MPH restrictions are entirely sensible. To answer your question though, there is more to tackling road safety than just targeting speed. How about increased driver education about awareness in built up areas? Or increased pedestrian education regarding the dangers of busy roads?
The point we are arguing is that just because it is a practical measure in some cases, does not mean that it should be treated as a magic bullet which can be applied in every case, which leads us to...
and how is driving at 20mph not practical?
....this. 20MPH is fine in a tight residential street. What about on busier routes that jsut happen to go through built up areas? What if they were all reduced to 20MPH limits? Would you say having a busy trunk route reduced to 20MPH is practical in traffic terms? Also mentioned were the pollution problems; cars are most efficient cruising at higher speed.
My point is that cars are designed to get us places quickly and have their part in society doing so, whether we like it or not. With this comes an appreciable risk element. If we follow the argument of the article to it's logical conclusion, we should all return to walking everywhere because it would lead to a 0% casualty rate from road accidents. Im not saying 20MPH limits shouldn't be applied in some cases, neither am I some petrol head who thinks that all roads should be NSL. Just that the deployment of speed restrictions should be based on sensible and sound reasoning, not over-zealous anti-car literature.
Please don't try change my question, but in any case we already educate people on awareness in built up areas, both drivers and pedestrians. And how is it more practical to educate every single person who walks, which is going to be circa 60 million people, rather than reduce small amounts of residential areas to 20mph?
Nobody is talking about making trunk roads 20mph speeds limits though are they? or did i miss something.
But reducing speed limit from 30 to 20mph is only a 10mph difference, yet reducing the amount of casualties by 40% is a huge impact. Especially since the casualties it is saving be saving are mostly (if not all) pedestrians (which you wont find on trink roads anyway)
Nobody is talking about making trunk roads 20mph speeds limits though are they? or did i miss something.
But reducing speed limit from 30 to 20mph is only a 10mph difference, yet reducing the amount of casualties by 40% is a huge impact. Especially since the casualties it is saving be saving are mostly (if not all) pedestrians (which you wont find on trink roads anyway)
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well said!
What is more practical in a built up area than a 20mph zone? and how is driving at 20mph not practical?
Because some built up areas were and still are perfectly fine for 30mph or even 40mph
Here is a 30 turned into a 20 .. in some villages this is good enough for a 40 though
Adults should have the common sense to know what to do, and children should be educated through schools and their parents should keep an eye out for them.
All us managed to survive and have enough common sense to not jump in front of cars
Haven't you realised that society has changed?
Most kids and quite a lot of adults have ZERO respect for anyone now. As a kid I was afraid to say 'Boo' to anyone older than me, nowadays the kids in Middlesbrough chuck bricks at people/police/buses even when they are by themselves (with no audience to show off to).
The people walking over the roads these days know that the car has to stop unless their car wants a huge dent + potentially banned from driving + prison sentence. And it gives them something to empower themselves with "You ain't touching me with that car, so i'm going to slowly meander across your path and you can't do a thing".
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And how many did not make it every year?
So let them get hit, same answer as below, natural section.
I will continue to drive at a speed I find to be safe, be that 10mph outside a school or 120mph on an empty motorway middle of the night.
Natural selection ... if you are too stupid to realise that a 2ton car will kill you ...
I asked earlier when someone said similar, does the green cross code or something similar not get taught in schools any more then?
Yeah we managed to survice, how long ago was that 20 years ago? 20 years ago we didn't have 18 year olds in 200bhp turbo charged cars who give themselves a 10/10 for driving greatness and think a volvo 'isn't geared to run at 20mph', cos we all know in sweeden the best way to drive in the snow is at 80mph, and sweeden doesn't have any speed limits at 30kph does it? When you where 5-10 how many people at 17 did you know with a car, let alone one that wouldn't fall appart if a wasp flew into it?
Times have changed, it isn't the pedestrians that are getting stupider, it is the cars are getting more powerful, being easier to access to young people who have been driving for 5 minutes and think they are the next Lewis Hamilton. If you want to look to someone to blame for these speed limits, blame them a they are the ones making this law come into place.
I have speed bumps in my estate now, and it isn't because of us civil folk driving at 30mph, and i don't blame the council, because it is due to the wee tubes driving their scoobies, Type R's, saxos etc at a thousand miles an hour not only causing issues with speeding, but noise pollution due to their stupid exhausts.
And just think, due to 20mph restrictions, 40% more will survive where they would have been killed
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It's both pedestrians and drivers that are to blame tbh. I got countless friends who will slowly walk across the road even though theres a car coming at 30mph... They wont walk across faster because the car "has to stop". I've noticed though the ones who have started lessons/passed no longer do this, as they can now see themselfs how much of a pain if anything those people are... Yet some still haven't changed
I always make sure if i do cross the road i do it quite sharply, especially on a busier road.
Boy racers wont pay attention to 20mph speed limits... Most of them refuse to do 40mph regardless of speed limits or weather conditions... Speed bumps will help.. but then too many and your penalizing sensible drivers and it's impractical to put bumps everywhere.
Drivers aren't getting educated enough on hazard awareness tbh... I was in my mates car the other day and i had to yell at her to stop... She looked all confused at me... There was 3 old women standing at the zebra crossing that were about to begin walking... she would have plowed right through them... At the moment hazard perception is just a simple video you have to pass... nothing els. Maybe showing the outcome of missing a hazard will wake people up.
I always make sure if i do cross the road i do it quite sharply, especially on a busier road.
Boy racers wont pay attention to 20mph speed limits... Most of them refuse to do 40mph regardless of speed limits or weather conditions... Speed bumps will help.. but then too many and your penalizing sensible drivers and it's impractical to put bumps everywhere.
Drivers aren't getting educated enough on hazard awareness tbh... I was in my mates car the other day and i had to yell at her to stop... She looked all confused at me... There was 3 old women standing at the zebra crossing that were about to begin walking... she would have plowed right through them... At the moment hazard perception is just a simple video you have to pass... nothing els. Maybe showing the outcome of missing a hazard will wake people up.
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6 year jumps over garden fence to get his football Bang car hits him and kills him is this natural selection?? Or is he stupid? Its idiots like you that will kill/murder somebody sooner or later.