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ATi Catalyst 9.12's Next Wednesday.
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in 10 miles it's a whole mile...
10% is based on subjective evaluation
its a faster more mature card and that was my initial point.
someone mentioned a 5770 being compared to a 4870 and i think that is a more accurate description.
my point was that DX11 is only going to work well on the high end cards as was the case with every first to market card featuring the new DX architecture
the low end cards use it as a tickbox inclusion that serves no real purpose
its a faster more mature card and that was my initial point.
someone mentioned a 5770 being compared to a 4870 and i think that is a more accurate description.
my point was that DX11 is only going to work well on the high end cards as was the case with every first to market card featuring the new DX architecture
the low end cards use it as a tickbox inclusion that serves no real purpose
1] I'm on the side of the 4890 so not quite sure why you are attacking my post?
2] It doesn't matter what it cost a year ago, it matters what it costs NOW, and NOW the 4890 and 5770 are in the same price band.
My point, which you appear to have missed, is that people recommending the 5770 over the 4890 on the basis of a miracle performance increase in an, as yet, unreleased driver is lunacy.
1] I wasnt attacking you,
2] Who in their right mind would recommend dx10 cards over dx11 at the same price point, drivers or not, whats the 5770 going to cost in a year?
I dont think you can compare prices fairly as its old tech that shops and ati will want rid of so its going to be priced low, to sell to people less in the know, the only way to compare with prices is at release
The thing is that a month ago, the HD 4890 was £120 and so was the HD 5770. This resulted in numerous threads about which to get.
Whilst reviews showed the HD 4890 was better, many people kept saying that the new drivers will make the HD 5770 better (even though the specs are worse). The HD 4870 is under £100. The HD 5770 at its price point is competing against the HD 4890.
It is irrelevant what it competes against on release prices. Its the prices now which matter.
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4890 isn't much slower than a 5850, at least not enough to justify an upgrade imho, unless of course you want a quieter card, dx11 etc.
It's about 20-30% faster in most titles. Obviously it's not great value with the current price premiums but it's still a decent card, especially considering the value it offers with DX11 and lower power consumption. And it offers even better value if you're considering a Crossfire setup further down the line. We may even see the performance margin increasing with future driver updates.
As for DX11 - if offers performance increases over DX10 when used like-for-like, though obviously you'll need a bit more horsepower when using the core DX11 features like compute shaders and hardware tessellation.
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Fair enough, but I was a bit disappointed after the huge jump from the HD3000 series to the HD4800 series, I mean there was easily a 100% increase there (e.g. HD3870 to HD4870).
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I don't know but I like the Withcer and want to play it again so I'm keen to know as well if this gets fixed. In the mean time you might want to try this if you haven't already tried it.
Link A couple of people have said this has fixed the issue for them.
1] I wasnt attacking you,
2] Who in their right mind would recommend dx10 cards over dx11 at the same price point, drivers or not, whats the 5770 going to cost in a year?
I dont think you can compare prices fairly as its old tech that shops and ati will want rid of so its going to be priced low, to sell to people less in the know, the only way to compare with prices is at release
Who in their right mind recommends you buy the slower card? The 5770 DX11 performance has already been shown to be poor so the DX11 argument is invalid.
Your idea of comparing prices at release and not at time of purchase is just bizarre.
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I think a-lot of people who are buying the 5770 are doing so in crossfire. I my self would not buy just one 5770 as it would not be good enough for my needs.
But that's what I don't get, as the price of two is the same as a 5850. And with a single card you don't have to worry about titles not working well with Crossfire and always have the option to add a second card later. If people can hold off just a bit then the price of the 5850 will drop and it will offer even better value.
I think it was the fact that for a long time you just couldn't get a 5850. Throw in the fact that two 5770 are cheaper and beats the 5850 in performance I can see why a lot of people went down the route of buying two 5770's.
Once 5850 are out in numbers and the price drops to £200 again, then it becomes hard to justify two 5770 purchases.
I'm just glad I got my 5850 the first week at £198
I think it was the fact that for a long time you just couldn't get a 5850. Throw in the fact that two 5770 are cheaper and beats the 5850 in performance I can see why a lot of people went down the route of buying two 5770's.
Once 5850 are out in numbers and the price drops to £200 again, then it becomes hard to justify two 5770 purchases.
I'm just glad I got my 5850 the first week at £198
Thats exactly why i bought 2 5770's Purely because they are just that bit better than the 5850's and in some titles are on par with the 5870.. As soon as there is more stock for the other cards i'll go back to a single card solution!
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I hope these drivers are good because my 4870 x2 is just rubbish with the 9.11 drivers, not many games are running well in crossfire.
The Guru3d 5770 crossfire review has them smoking a 5870 in just about ALL of their tests by a fair bit.
The thing with crossfire and indeed SLI is that you need profile support to really get anything out of it. This is also true for the 5970 as it uses internal crossfire.
If the support is crappy or the profile not great you can expect at most 10 frames more with a second GPU. Yeah that sounds pretty poor and it is.
However there are games out there that work well with crossfire and those are the ones you see in reviews.
How many reviewers do a crossfire review with a game that doesn't support crossfire well?
Yeah that might sound counter productive but it is the reality of the market. I doubt even 50% of the games on the market make good use of multi-gpu.
If the support is crappy or the profile not great you can expect at most 10 frames more with a second GPU. Yeah that sounds pretty poor and it is.
However there are games out there that work well with crossfire and those are the ones you see in reviews.
How many reviewers do a crossfire review with a game that doesn't support crossfire well?
Yeah that might sound counter productive but it is the reality of the market. I doubt even 50% of the games on the market make good use of multi-gpu.