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GTX 380 & GTX 360 Pictured + Specs

it still all comes down to size, if the new NV stuff is smaller, lots will buy, because they wont have to buy a new case to fit the GPU in. Meaning NV can Afford to be about £100 more expensive, and still be competitive. however like I say this will come down to Size of the GPU.

Yes, that is too bad. I currently only have a mid-tower, so if I want to get a 5870 or higher, which I do, I will also need to spring for a new gaming case. But, I will also be getting a new PSU, Hard Drive, and optical drive, since I have chosen to keep my current, soon to be "old" PC as is.

So, I still need to buy:
PSU: Enermax Galaxy EVO 1250
Optical Drive: Liteon 8x Blu-Ray Reader/DVD-RW SATA
Hard Drive: WD Caviar Black 2-TB

I already bought:
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2
Core i7 920
6 GB DDR3 1600 Patriot RAM
Thermalright U-120E Ultra 120 Extreme CPU Heatsink

But, by keeping my old PC intact, I could hold LAN games. But, if the new GeForce 300 series cards are small enough, I will not need to buy a whole new case, though I was thinking of doing so anyway.

And, as for the new case, I was thinking of one of 2 cases from Coolermaster:
HAF 932
CM Sniper
 
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Way i look at it is buy what does what you want at the time you want to buy i never wait for the next thing. This time round a 5 series was the spot for me but if next time it is nvidia, intel or anyone else thats what i will buy. None of the companys give a rats about us and we should have the same attitude not wait till one company or another releases stuff and should never put off a purchase based on so called leaks of this and that.

Only real benefit i can see right now for nvidia release is that it will get prices jumping down a bit but only if nvidia are able to hit the market with numbers and if tsmc keep screwing up that is by no means certain. If your wanting to upgrade just do it and if you prefer nvidia then sell your 5 series when they get round to releasing their cards.
 
Yes, about the picture with the marketing guy from NVIDIA with his thumb up, I agree with the notion that no-one knows 100% if the cards pictured are the neww 300 series, or just a couple of 285 cards.
 
drunkenmaster, i think nvidia could still surive if they played the game right, they really need to court Apple, real hard.

Apple won't settle for just onboard okish FPU performance on a crappy intel gma plugged next to their cpu die.

They are gonna want to have bells and whistles attached, nVidia could provide that, Apple users are already willing to pay more for the name. Apple's marketshare is increasing a lot lately.

Well Apple got boned by Nvidia on the bumpgate thing with a huge failure rate and Nvidia wouldn't take the blame, as per usual. Not long ago Apple bought the entire remaining supply of 4850/70's AMD had in stock at that time, which was something like 5-10k cards because they wanted a reliable, cheap and powerful card for their high end computers.

Secondly, on cpu die is, as I tried to explain going to massively increase, even in Intel's utterly crap current intergrated gpu, you're talking about a HUGE massive increase in FPU power, compared to every cpu of the past 5 years it will absolutely blow them away.

But keep in mind that the intergrated is only set to vastly improve. AMD's first intergrated is set to be a 480shader lower end varient of a 5870(so a 5450 or something along those lines). You're talking about, I dunno, a 9600gt/9800gt's worth of gpu power on die. But thats current cpu's, when you get up to 16/32 cores in a couple years, if you need FPU over Int performance, you'll just buy a varient with a higher ratio of gpu/fpu units over int units. Intel within a few years will have very very decent gpgpu types cores to intergrate.

Even if Nvidia got a contract to supply all of Apple's computers, its not a huge number, Apple aren't a massive supplier compared to the rest of the OEM's put together, infact they are still rather tiny and utterly dwarfed by normal PC sales. Once you cut of 80% of your sales you can't afford to invest the same amount in developing your gpu, if they cut spending theres every chance their gpu's and gpgpu's in the future simply won't be competitive.

THe main problem being Nvidia will have no way to compete with Intel and AMD on manufacturing price, they can't afford to open their own fab, they will never match the savings from building them inhouse like the other two can.

The fact a company is so desparately courting such a ridiculously small amount of their own market(gpgpu) tells you they know theres trouble ahead.

I think its bad news for the short term, Larabee isn't ready, Nvidia have point blank refused to deal with the manufacturing issues that have plagued them for 2 years and keep running headlong into design problems due to large core design. If they don't change that in the next chip well, I can't see it being anything but just as late as Fermi. You can't build a chip that big on such a small process anymore, its just not doable.

The latest news is that Nvidia's biggest design win for a gpgpu supercomputer they announced on that launch day with the fake Fermi a couple months ago has been canceled, because that partner says Fermi is too hot, to late and not fast enough to warrant it.
 
i think that if Nv doesn't produce another "8800" chip in terms of sales numbers and performance they going to open them selves to hostile take over by intel.
 
Way i look at it is buy what does what you want at the time you want to buy i never wait for the next thing. This time round a 5 series was the spot for me but if next time it is nvidia, intel or anyone else thats what i will buy. None of the companys give a rats about us and we should have the same attitude not wait till one company or another releases stuff and should never put off a purchase based on so called leaks of this and that.

See that comment there, Fanboy's take note, because that is the best advice yet;)
 
Totally agree with Magpie.

My GPU history is

Geforce 3 Ti200 -> ATI 9800 Pro -> Geforce 8800 GTS and my next card might well be an ATI 5850. No brand loyalty there.
 
Totally agree with Magpie.

My GPU history is

Geforce 3 Ti200 -> ATI 9800 Pro -> Geforce 8800 GTS and my next card might well be an ATI 5850. No brand loyalty there.

i dont care about loyalty either...whoever delivers the best performance gpu without driver issues then i will buy:)
 
i think that if Nv doesn't produce another "8800" chip in terms of sales numbers and performance they going to open them selves to hostile take over by intel.

I kind of half believe that is the Nvidia plan. Some of the decisions nvidia have made just don't make sense.

The new card will not have the success the 8800 had. ATI are just to strong and look set to continue for at least the next 18 months.
 
The fact a company is so desparately courting such a ridiculously small amount of their own market(gpgpu) tells you they know theres trouble ahead.

Is it really so small? theres more than 600 active, publicised, CUDA projects - many of those are used on setups between 4 and 100+ nvidia GPUs - and theres probably lots more we don't know about.
 
Is it really so small? theres more than 600 active, publicised, CUDA projects - many of those are used on setups between 4 and 100+ nvidia GPUs - and theres probably lots more we don't know about.

Even if you multiply those numbers extremely optimistically, it still comes up very short compared to the shipments of even the 5800 series (which hasn't been around long and as we know, has been in fairly short supply). According to Fudzilla at least, the 5800 series has so far sold around 300,000 units: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16847/1/

And even then, that's not a drop in the water compared to the games console market, which we know have so far sold tens of millions of units.
 
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The fact a company is so desparately courting such a ridiculously small amount of their own market(gpgpu) tells you they know theres trouble ahead.

Nvidia made $903.2 million for the third quarter of fiscal 2010 ended Oct. 25, 2009.

The latest news is that Nvidia's biggest design win for a gpgpu supercomputer they announced on that launch day with the fake Fermi a couple months ago has been canceled, because that partner says Fermi is too hot, to late and not fast enough to warrant it.

You are talking utter tosh here as well.Nvidia are working with Microsoft using
Tesla graphics processing units (GPUs) for high performance parallel computing using the Windows HPC Server 2008 operating system.
 
Even if you multiply those numbers extremely optimistically, it still comes up very short compared to the shipments of even the 5800 series (which hasn't been around long and as we know, has been in fairly short supply). According to Fudzilla at least, the 5800 series has so far sold around 300,000 units: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16847/1/

And even then, that's not a drop in the water compared to the games console market, which we know have so far sold tens of millions of units.

Its not a negligible amount tho and growing... I'd put a conservative number at just under 30,000 units currently and expect it to top 100,000 during the life time of the 300 series cores.
 
Even if you multiply those numbers extremely optimistically, it still comes up very short compared to the shipments of even the 5800 series (which hasn't been around long and as we know, has been in fairly short supply). According to Fudzilla at least, the 5800 series has so far sold around 300,000 units: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16847/1/

And even then, that's not a drop in the water compared to the games console market, which we know have so far sold tens of millions of units.

It's a niece market but with huge growth. I'd say at least 20,000 Tesla cards have been sold worldwide - at £1K a pop that's £20 million right there. And like IBM have said they believe HPC use of GUGPU technologies is the "way forward" . Look at the "worlds fastest computer" the JAGUAR at Oak Ridge, if they coupled 2 Telsas with each rack that'd be 2x7832x$1000 - that'd be 15Million from one installation, if IBM are right and that's a trend it will generate massive income streams for Nvidia
 
Bare in mind thats not pure profit tho... not sure how much profit they'd make... even £20million profit is nothing in this kinda business.
 
It's a niece market but with huge growth. I'd say at least 20,000 Tesla cards have been sold worldwide - at £1K a pop that's £20 million right there. And like IBM have said they believe HPC use of GUGPU technologies is the "way forward" . Look at the "worlds fastest computer" the JAGUAR at Oak Ridge, if they coupled 2 Telsas with each rack that'd be 2x7832x$1000 - that'd be 15Million from one installation, if IBM are right and that's a trend it will generate massive income streams for Nvidia

The problem is though its simply not possible to upgrade 99% of systems this way. $20 million for the cards would be a very insignificant part of the cost of this upgrade.

IBM might be right the Future may be GPU's, but I doubt they meant Fermi in march.
 
The problem is though its simply not possible to upgrade 99% of systems this way. $20 million for the cards would be a very insignificant part of the cost of this upgrade.

IBM might be right the Future may be GPU's, but I doubt they meant Fermi in march.

It's not as challenging as you may think top of the 100 super computers in the world are already doing this IIRC
 
Thats why I used 99%.

The top 0.1% of company's probably can at a huge cost. But what about everyone that need to say.... move to new building ? or write off a whole up and running system thats had years of development before they could even consider a upgrade using huge parts.

For most it will not be a viable upgrade.
 
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