Why are you posting in this thread then? Can you not go and worry about this stuff you've got going on that's apparently more important?
rage against the x-factor - Outcome: RATM is the Christmas Number One!
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Why are you posting in this thread then? Can you not go and worry about this stuff you've got going on that's apparently more important?
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Its not really about your opinion though, like him or not he has had a massive influence on the genre and i think his sales, wealth and the level of respect he has generated speak for themselves. Im not a fan myself but can see where skippi's coming from.
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No, talent is not subjective. Liking it is.
I'd say having 10 number 1 albums and an honours list the length of my arm goes some way to showing he's got talent.
Only The Beatles have had more no.1 albums, but I guess they had no talent either.
I'm full of admiration for the man personally. He puts on a great entertainment show that, whether you like it or not, LOTS of people thoroughly enjoy. He gives young talented people (talent isn't just the ability to play an instrument) an opportunity that the music industry has failed to give them and he makes money from it. He's a very clever man.
All this publicity from this 'campaign' is doing him no harm either. Do you think X Factor fans have sat on their backsides and not bought more copies of the single that they were initially going to? The X Factor single has most likely sold more than they thought because of this brilliantly worked out campaign.
All this BS about 'F you, we won't do what you tell us!' blah , blah, blah. You've done just what Mr and Mrs Morter have told you to do though haven't you?
Free will? Anyone involved is doing it because they've chosen to.
Why don't I call you a sheep for partaking in things because it's just what we do as a society?
Why do you celebrate your birthday? Because it's what we do as a society, you've not made the concious decision to celebrate it.
Why do you shake hands with people? Why do you go out drinking on the weekends? Are you a sheep doing what you believe to be the social norms?
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Its not about whether or not YOU like it. He has had a very successful career resulting in a lot of people that DO like his talent. He has developed his career without the need for a high publicity television programme and whilst you may not appreciate his music, there are millions of others that disagree.
The point being made is not that all these people have made good music, because no one can truly say they think all those artists are fantastic. I for one don't like the Beatles. Its about the effect they have had on the music industry and whether you like it or not, Jay-Z has been massive.
No, talent is subjective.
It's fact that he's got 10 number 1 albums, that he has a lot of honours and is respected.
Whether he's talented or not is subjective.
I can't argue that he doesn't have 10 number ones, it's fact, I however can argue that I don't think he has talent.
It's like a chef, their "talent" as chef depends on if people like their food or not.
I can dislike food that a lot of people like, it doesn't mean the food is ultimately good or bad, it means I dislike it whilst others like it.
Some people think Joe McElderberry has talent, some don't, it's subjective.
It is however, fact that he won the x-factor.
Quantifiable = fact.
You can't quantify talent, you can't put a number on it. I don't think he's talented, I do accept that others do, otherwise he wouldn't have such a huge fanbase.
[ASSE]Hinchy;15554025 said:
Well it kinda is about whether I like it or not, when, you know, I'm expressing my opinion on it.
People disagree, so what? Does that mean I'm less entitled to my opinion the more people disagree with me?
If I think his music is junk, why would I think it takes talent to create it?
Really, some people just don't understand the concept of opinion around here.
It's not really being told though is it? They created a campaign and people followed it, it's hardly being told what to do. We all had a choice whether to support it or not.
You're right about all the publicity doing Cowell no harm though, most of the people who are supporting it already think he's a complete monk to begin with.
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I don't really get this campaign.
If nobody talented enough can make a decent song to compete with whatever the xfactor winner churns out, its hardly Simon Cowell's fault is it?
Don't get me wrong Im not a massive fan of pop music but Joe has got a great voice. Personally I prefered Olly as an entertainment package and Danyl for his voice but neither of them are karaoke singers.
Obviously the hardcore rockers and anyone else jumping on this bandwagon will disagree and stubbornly refuse to admit that some of them actually can sing (mainly through being narrow minded and only appreciating one genre of music). I actually like the RATM song. The problem with music is people sticking to one genre of music because they are too pig headed to think anything else is as good.
For instance a girl at my work ONLY likes hardcore rock/metal. So all I get all day while Radio 1 is playing is... "oh this is crap, whats this rubbish?!?!?". To me thats just trying to act cool. You dont have to like something to appreciate it.
Just all seems a bit childish to me if I'm honest. If Mariah Carey had just recorded All I want for christmas this year, I have absolutely no doubt that it would be number one above any Xfactor wnners song.
Which kinda proves my point.
If nobody talented enough can make a decent song to compete with whatever the xfactor winner churns out, its hardly Simon Cowell's fault is it?
Don't get me wrong Im not a massive fan of pop music but Joe has got a great voice. Personally I prefered Olly as an entertainment package and Danyl for his voice but neither of them are karaoke singers.
Obviously the hardcore rockers and anyone else jumping on this bandwagon will disagree and stubbornly refuse to admit that some of them actually can sing (mainly through being narrow minded and only appreciating one genre of music). I actually like the RATM song. The problem with music is people sticking to one genre of music because they are too pig headed to think anything else is as good.
For instance a girl at my work ONLY likes hardcore rock/metal. So all I get all day while Radio 1 is playing is... "oh this is crap, whats this rubbish?!?!?". To me thats just trying to act cool. You dont have to like something to appreciate it.
Just all seems a bit childish to me if I'm honest. If Mariah Carey had just recorded All I want for christmas this year, I have absolutely no doubt that it would be number one above any Xfactor wnners song.
Which kinda proves my point.
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To be fair they wouldn't have the publicity machine that is X-Factor behind them. Over the course of months they get people interested on a personal level and are effectively advertising for the Christmas No. 1 from the first episode.
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First, you need to think about the X-Factor as a format. It's all about getting a large portion of the UK's population watching and voting for their favourite of what is generally a bad bunch. (I don't think there's been a series where the finalists have all been considered good). This is fed to these people for 3 months through TV, newspapers, radio, internet etc. up till the final where there is usually part of the population rooting for one or the other, rarely hoping neither make it.
With this been fed to them for 1/4 of the year, they inevitably then spend the 40p on the single, regardless of if it's any good, but almost out of habit. Which has led to the comparison of 'being told to buy it'.
This girl's an idiot. People who refuse to listen to music on the basis that it's not a "genre" they like need to go and trip over in front of a crazed donkey.
I like music, if I dislike something, I dislike THAT, not the genre itself though.
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We understand the concept of subjective opinion. It's just that your opinion is objectively crap.
You must like Jay-Z then mustn't you?
Just because YOU think he's good, doesn't mean it's crap for me to think he's not.
In my opinion, he's a JOKE.
Notice that I've never once belittled some one else's right to an opinion? Something you obviously don't understand.
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fozzybear said:
Maybe its because other people have got worse things to worry about that they want a little escape from it by following this Christmas no.1?
Why keep mentioning Jay-Z. Fact is there are plenty of singers/bands I hate, Corinne Bailey Rae and Take That being a couple of examples. Doesn't mean I don't accept they have talent, just that I hate their music.
Gary Barlow is the anti-christ to me yet I can accept that a lot of people like his music therefore his must have some talent.
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