Was jesus born on december 25th?

malachi said:
If you took Christmas or Easter for that matter away, what would England/British culture have to celebrate compared to other countries or faiths?
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St Georges day. Oh wait...

I know - Guy Fawkes night. Hang on he was Catholic...

Darn it. We don't even have an excuse to dress in green and drink Guinness any more.

Edit: hang on - New Year. Second thoughts, that's celebrating something based on Jesus too, and like Christmas they seem to have got the date wrong.
 
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I get around said:
Because christianity is actually just a mish mash of pagan religions (which ironically christians don't believe in)
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You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about, do you?

Yes Christianity took over some pagan holidays but the religion itself is not a mish-mash of pagan religions :/
 
Mary's dad: "where the hell have you been my girl"
Mary: "Rave! in the Jewish quarter, near the wailing wall"
Mary'd dad: "I hope you haven't been putting your chastity about"
Mary: "No dad, honest"

some months later.....

Mary's dad: "Mary, what the...?"
Mary: "Dad, i swear i've never been podged, its a miracle i tells ya!"
Marys day: "Ok then......"

A few months later and Jesus, pronounced 'hey-zeus' was born....to a lieing **** who was too high on smoked urine-soaked palm leaves to know who the real father was.
Now, Joseph, the village idiot, who'd always fancied Mary, offered to help carry her burdon.
The End!

:D
 
k.Jacko said:
Mary's dad: "where the hell have you been my girl"
Mary: "Rave! in the Jewish quarter, near the wailing wall"
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:D
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Unlike much of John's gospel, which has been shown by archaeologists to be accurate in its descriptions of first century Jerusalem, this starts with clear chronological error that places it well after the time of Christ...
 
Evangelion said:
"Josephus", not "Josephinus." His full name was Titus Flavius Josephus and he was a Romanised Jew. His essential account is generally considered authentic, notwithstanding the later interpolations.

Tacitus, Pliny the Younger and Lucian of Samosata all refer to Jesus as a historical person. They also refer to Christians as followers of Christ and Tacitus specifically mentions that the term "Christian" is derived from "Christ."

Obviously Jesus was not divine, because he was crucified and died. True gods are usually more robust.
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None of the above are contemporary, the only one who might have been alive at the same time as Jesus is Josephus, and even then only by a couple of years being born in AD 37
 
On 'no extrabiblical evidence' of Jesus:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/index.html for list of dates of early Christian writings. It's not quite up to date. For example, there's an argument for dating Mark's Gospel in the 30s or 40s AD (currently proposed by Dr. James Crossley, a secular historian working at Sheffield University, in a number of Journal articles). Such updates haven't been included.

Anything written before AD67 is potentially contemporary with the Apostle Peter. Anything written before about AD100 is potentially contemporary with the Apostle John (remembering that there were several disciples of Jesus called John, only one being in the 12, so allowing for confusion).

These were supposed to be Jesus's best mates and most of the stuff traditionally associated with them made it into the New Testament.

Now, of course, if you want to find out about the historical Jesus it's best to find something written by someone who wasn't associated with him at all. That would be far more objective... :rolleyes:
 
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Angilion said:
Also...why an inn? Surely one of Joseph's relatives would have put them up.
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RDM said:
To be fair it was Christmas so they probably already had people staying over... :D
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Yeah, also explains why they couldn't get in at the inn at that time of year, booked solid for christmmas parties no doubt.

Jesus himself though always resented the fact he was born on christmas day, as it meant he only really got one lot of presents. Oh yeah, then put birthday wrapping paper on some of them, but its not the same and you don't get the same net amount of presents he would have if born of 23rd of May for example.

Also, why did they call him "Jesus Christ"? Might as well have called him "Bloody Hell" or something like that? What a stupid name to call a little baby. I expect he had a terrible time at school with a name like that.

(c) Smith&Jones
 
gurusan said:
lol at people saying Jesus didn't exist. There's all sorts of historical evidence that Jesus existed.
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Yeah and there's all sorts of evidence that people called John and Steve existed also - what's your point? It's clear that the thread refers to Jesus in the context of the holy spirit, miracles, etc.
 
Robbie G said:
Yeah and there's all sorts of evidence that people called John and Steve existed also - what's your point? It's clear that the thread refers to Jesus in the context of the holy spirit, miracles, etc.
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No it's not clear that the thread refers to that at all. The thread is about his birth and people said he wasn't even born because he was imagined.
 
My point? I was simply responding to the people who made claims that he was never born and did not exist at all.

See, this is a forum, a place where people discuss things...?? :rolleyes:
 
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gurusan said:
My point? I was simply responding to the people who made claims that he was never born and did not exist at all.

See, this is a forum, a place where people discuss things...?? :rolleyes:
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Ahhh...the age old and familiar response of someone that realised that what they were saying, had no relevance.

You were basically saying that once, someone called Jesus probably was born. Very useful.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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