British man to be exectuted by Chinese

magick said:
Ok so on a few other forums I goto some christians and bleeding heart liberals are on a crusade to get Akmal Shaikh spared the death penalty after he got caught smuggling 4kg of heroin into China.

Now I would have thought this story would have made it onto OcUK. His family claim he's mentaly ill because he suffers from bi-polar but how can suffering from depression make you want to take up drug trafficking in the far east I don't know. Are the chinese right to execute this guy?

http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/news/british-man-to-be-executed-in-china-19524351.html
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i dont think bipolar removes all your memory of right and wrong, bipolar is a mood disorder
by definiton either elation or depression

i would suggest if he was in either of these phases, he would stand out like a sore thumb, and would certainly raise suspicion of all around him, especially making an assumption that he has made travel plans, passed through airports etc
 
magick said:
His family claim he's mentaly ill because he suffers from bi-polar but how can suffering from depression make you want to take up drug trafficking in the far east I don't know.
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Severe bi-polar isn't simply 'suffering from depression'. Having spent the last 15 years living with a close family member who suffers with the illness, frankly you haven't the first clue what you're talking about here.

I don't know anything about this particular guy to which you refer, but if he IS someone with severe bi-polar i can quite easily see how during a manic episode he could end up getting involved in some pretty crazy stuff. Sufferers become totally delusional, believing they are invincible or completely above the law. I've had to deal with the consequences of this myself on several occasions. Thankfully the laws are a bit more forgiving here when it's someone who genuinely doesn't know what they are doing - it seems this poor guy has picked the wrong country in which to have an episode.

And it's not a simple case of 'why didn't the family stop him' either. The person i know who is bi-polar is a 28 year old adult. Most of the time they are absolutely fine, so it's not like they can be placed under mental health supervision at all times. I've spoken to the person one day and they've been absolutely fine, and 24 hrs later i'm dealing with a call from the police who've picked him up 300 miles away ranting about some deluded idea. And even then we've struggled to get sufficient mental health support for him.

I guess the people that want to jump in and call such a person scum, or blame the family or whatever are just fortunate enough not to have had to ever deal with someone with severe mental illness.
 
Dolph said:
Making heroin legal would increase the criminal community associated with Heroin, drugs pushing, pimping, thieving and fencing and so on?
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Making Heorin illegal and taking away the Class A status would certainly make the drug more appealing to some people who would never touch the stuff.

Heroin being a Class A drug has an effect on some people. If you took away it's Class A ILLEGAL status, I guarantee a lot of people would think... "ahhh can't be that bad, it's not even illegal".

If your theory was so fool proof, why is it still illegal?
 
Johnnytoxic said:
Making Heorin illegal and taking away the Class A status would certainly make the drug more appealing to some people who would never touch the stuff.

Heroin being a Class A drug has an effect on some people. If you took away it's Class A ILLEGAL status, I guarantee a lot of people would think... "ahhh can't be that bad, it's not even illegal".

If your theory was so fool proof, why is it still illegal?
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Because opinion trumps reason in our lawmaking system, or did you miss the sacking of government drugs advisors for giving evidence based research showing the current policy to be irrational and misguided...

There are a great many UK laws that make no rational sense but exist because they are popular, even worse when the government spends massive amounts of money to influence that opinion...

I'd also suggest you read the links, there is no evidence whatsoever that making drugs illegal reduces consumption, so why would the opposite be true?
 
It doesn't say in the ops link that he is bi-polar, it does say it's believed he has mental health issues but doesn't specify that he does or what they may be

so meh

*evil voice* KILLL HIM!
 
tedmaul said:
Severe bi-polar isn't simply 'suffering from depression'. Having spent the last 15 years living with a close family member who suffers with the illness, frankly you haven't the first clue what you're talking about here.

I don't know anything about this particular guy to which you refer, but if he IS someone with severe bi-polar i can quite easily see how during a manic episode he could end up getting involved in some pretty crazy stuff. Sufferers become totally delusional, believing they are invincible or completely above the law. I've had to deal with the consequences of this myself on several occasions. Thankfully the laws are a bit more forgiving here when it's someone who genuinely doesn't know what they are doing - it seems this poor guy has picked the wrong country in which to have an episode.

And it's not a simple case of 'why didn't the family stop him' either. The person i know who is bi-polar is a 28 year old adult. Most of the time they are absolutely fine, so it's not like they can be placed under mental health supervision at all times. I've spoken to the person one day and they've been absolutely fine, and 24 hrs later i'm dealing with a call from the police who've picked him up 300 miles away ranting about some deluded idea. And even then we've struggled to get sufficient mental health support for him.

I guess the people that want to jump in and call such a person scum, or blame the family or whatever are just fortunate enough not to have had to ever deal with someone with severe mental illness.
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Well said, but I am sure those without knowledge and understanding will continue to post their ignorance.
 
magick said:
Ok so on a few other forums I goto some christians and bleeding heart liberals are on a crusade to get Akmal Shaikh spared the death penalty after he got caught smuggling 4kg of heroin into China.

Now I would have thought this story would have made it onto OcUK. His family claim he's mentaly ill because he suffers from bi-polar but how can suffering from depression make you want to take up drug trafficking in the far east I don't know. Are the chinese right to execute this guy?
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Yes the Chinese are right to execute him, his family claiming he has mental illness rings hollow. If he was so ill he would never has been drug smuggling in he far east in the first place. His mental illness is nothing more than a benefit scam, I don't know a drug dealer who is not claim DLA or what ever its called now. They all claim mental illness.
 
JBuk said:
Execution for drug smuggling seems a bit harsh
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Not that harsh. 200 to 500 milligrams of heroin is a fatal dose to someone with no heroin tolerance so potentially 4kg of heroin could kill between 8000 to 20000 people.
 
Redz said:
Not that harsh. 200 to 500 milligrams of heroin is a fatal dose to someone with no heroin tolerance so potentially 4kg of heroin could kill between 8000 to 20000 people.
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I really do hope you're trying to be humourous :)
 
Under the assumption he did actually try smuggling 4kg of coke into China of his own accord and wasn't coerced or duped into it then...

Burn the infidel on the same fire as the coke.

No time or patience for people that get involved with drugs
 
Scubascorpion said:
Under the assumption he did actually try smuggling 4kg of coke into China of his own accord and wasn't coerced or duped into it then...

Burn the infidel on the same fire as the coke.

No time or patience for people that get involved with drugs
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Do you have time for people who take drugs?
 
JBuk said:
I really do hope you're trying to be humourous :)
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Absolutely not, I was over-dramatising for effect. Most likely only a small fraction of that figure would have died as a result of that heroin getting into the country if he hadn't been caught.
 
JBuk said:
What about pharmacists?
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Pedant :p

Ziggy said:
Do you have time for people who take drugs?
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If they are taking it to relieve suffering and other medical disorders / prescribed by doctors then absolutely no problem whatsoever.

Not sure which direction you are trying to goad me in, but I'll bite :p

Recreational drug users, people who started taking drugs for a "thrill" but are now hooked are the ones I have no time for..
They made their choice out of free will knowing full well the consequences as much as the bloke smuggling the 4kg into China knew he might get caught.

It's as simple as riding a bike.
I could ride it straight out into the road without looking.
I might make it across safely but common sense tells me it's a bad idea because of the possible consequences.

So I guess if you want, I have little time for people with no common sense.
 
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