most pirated games 2009

[Tombstone]

I suppose the questions I have still yet to understand are,

We all (or most at least in this thread) admit that copying stuff is morally wrong, yet we dont seem to mind. It doesnt bother us that we are doing something thats morally wrong, although we admit its morally wrong we are quite happy to do it. Sometimes even going so far as to brag about it, acting as if doing something that we admit is morally wrong is in some way a good thing. The question is why? Why is it ok to do something that we admit ourselves is morally wrong? Shouldnt we as individuals be trying to be the opposite of morally wrong?

And why is it that when we attempt to be better people we (universal we) are seemingly berated/insulted/laughed at for trying to be "good". Why do we say such things as "he/she needs to get laid" and "he/she needs to get a life" or "he/she needs to stop being so sad". Why do we see it as a negative to be a "good" guy?

Admittedly these arent really questions to do specifically with pirating per se, they are more general questions about what we socially accept and socially demean, nevertheless its a topic I find very interesting. Its a curious thing that if I do something good or try to behave nicely I generally get very few positive remarks about it (quite the opposite in fact, I get mostly negative remarks), but if I say that I got smashed out of my face last night and let down someones car tyres I get patted on the back and everyone things I am a "right laugh" to be around. It is curious, socially, that we frown on "good" behaviour and seemingly reward/condone/cheer "bad" behaviour.

However, that is a topic for another time and place. Just airing my thoughts

 

[DooMeR]

Its a shame to see street fighter 4 so priated as capcom always do good ports to pc as well as pricing them resonable.

I think its hard to get accurate figures from downloads alone, i am not condoning it but a lot of people tend to download games and then buy them if they like them.

I would think most serious gamers who have spent a lot of money on their rigs would be willing to fork out 20-30 quid for their fave games.

Plus i dont think the xbox downloads are acurate either, i think people who download console games are more likely to sell them on to others and make money of them then pc users.

It would be intresting to see how sales for steam games are looking compaired with the torrent market.

 

[Final8y]

I suppose the questions I have still yet to understand are,

We all (or most at least in this thread) admit that copying stuff is morally wrong, yet we dont seem to mind. It doesnt bother us that we are doing something thats morally wrong, although we admit its morally wrong we are quite happy to do it. Sometimes even going so far as to brag about it, acting as if doing something that we admit is morally wrong is in some way a good thing. The question is why? Why is it ok to do something that we admit ourselves is morally wrong? Shouldnt we as individuals be trying to be the opposite of morally wrong?

And why is it that when we attempt to be better people we (universal we) are seemingly berated/insulted/laughed at for trying to be "good". Why do we say such things as "he/she needs to get laid" and "he/she needs to get a life" or "he/she needs to stop being so sad". Why do we see it as a negative to be a "good" guy?

Admittedly these arent really questions to do specifically with pirating per se, they are more general questions about what we socially accept and socially demean, nevertheless its a topic I find very interesting. Its a curious thing that if I do something good or try to behave nicely I generally get very few positive remarks about it (quite the opposite in fact, I get mostly negative remarks), but if I say that I got smashed out of my face last night and let down someones car tyres I get patted on the back and everyone things I am a "right laugh" to be around. It is curious, socially, that we frown on "good" behaviour and seemingly reward/condone/cheer "bad" behaviour.

However, that is a topic for another time and place. Just airing my thoughts

+1

 

[janp]

You think society condones vandalism now? Seriously what sort of people do you hang around with that think letting down peoples tyres are cool or a "right laugh"?
I suggest finding new friends....

 

[Shamikebab]

I suppose the questions I have still yet to understand are,

We all (or most at least in this thread) admit that copying stuff is morally wrong, yet we dont seem to mind. It doesnt bother us that we are doing something thats morally wrong, although we admit its morally wrong we are quite happy to do it. Sometimes even going so far as to brag about it, acting as if doing something that we admit is morally wrong is in some way a good thing. The question is why? Why is it ok to do something that we admit ourselves is morally wrong? Shouldnt we as individuals be trying to be the opposite of morally wrong?

Part of being human, very few people do the right thing all the time.

 

[Final8y]

Part of being human, very few people do the right thing all the time.

That was not his point.
The point is that the few who try there best to do the right thing should not be set upon.

 

[Tefal]

That was not his point.
The point is that the few who try there best to do the right thing should not be set upon.

and they aren't.

The one who get "set upon" are the ones who make a big deal out of doing the right thing, and insist we all must know and recognize they're doing the "right thing".

 

[Final8y]

and they aren't.

The one who get "set upon" are the ones who make a big deal out of doing the right thing, and insist we all must know and recognize they're doing the "right thing".

Erm that's not what i have read.

I all i have seen in this thread is people who justify doing wrong things & that its not really a problem to do so & others just trying to say that in fact its not all right.

Because this would be just as valid otherwise.

The one who get "set upon" are the ones who make a big deal out of doing the wrong thing, and insist we all must know and recognize they're doing the "wrong thing"

Someone explaining right & wrong does not mean that they are boasting about doing the right things personally, its just about recognizing what is right & wrong.
Whether someone decides to follow the wrong or right is upto them, but the problem is that some don't recognize that they are doing wrong.

 

[Tombstone]

You think society condones vandalism now? Seriously what sort of people do you hang around with that think letting down peoples tyres are cool or a "right laugh"?
I suggest finding new friends....

That was an example.

I know quite a lot of people who think getting smashed out of their heads and behaving like idiots is cool and a "right laugh".

 

[Tombstone]

Someone explaining right & wrong does not mean that they are boasting about doing the right things personally, its just about recognizing what is right & wrong.

Indeed, as I say its interesting that so many people admit that something is morally wrong, but have no problems or qualms with doing the morally wrong thing.

Some even take things further and appear to denounce the people who actually dont do said morally wrong thing. Being negative about someone who is trying to do the right thing, which is even more interesting.

Its simply something I find curious or interesting.

 

[Final8y]

Indeed, as I say its interesting that so many people admit that something is morally wrong, but have no problems or qualms with doing the morally wrong thing.

Some even take things further and appear to denounce the people who actually dont do said morally wrong thing. Being negative about someone who is trying to do the right thing, which is even more interesting.

Its simply something I find curious or interesting.

Well some of it comes down to that some people do know that what they are doing is wrong but they lesson the guilt by knowing of others or getting others to going along with it as well.

 

[britboy4321]

Well some of it comes down to that some people do know that what they are doing is wrong but they lesson the guilt by knowing of others or getting others to going along with it as well.

That's right .. guilt is a powerful force.

The trouble is some people have spent so long trying to persuade themselves what they are doing can be in some way morally justified -- they actually really do believe it!

I'd prefer the pirate who is honest to us and himself .. and says 'I like gaming for free, and that's about as far as my logic needs to go so lolz'. Rather than some fakery such as 'Their license didn't let me install on 6 different laptops therefore I pirated it as some bizarre form of revenge against the evil empire'!!

 

[Evilsod]

Piracy isn't going to change just because you argue about the morals of it. At the end of the day, no-one gets hurt from it.

Pirating a £40 overpriced piece of crap you wouldn't of bought in the first place (at least at that price) hurts no-one, its not a lost sale because the dev wouldn't of ever got your money anyway. Pirating a £5 game is no different, its just more likely you'd buy it at that price.

In the past i think we've bought maybe 3 or 4 copies total of Diablo 2 and LoD entirely because of the frigging CD Key getting lost. Now i've got a downloaded version of both so i don't have to worry about that crap, the game is rightfully mine, several times infact, that dl isn't a lost sale. Nor is Torchlight, a game i dl'd last month to try it out when i first saw it on sale on Steam, buying it the next time it was on sale, only to find a week later it on sale for 75% instead of 50%

Its the ridiculous notion that a pirated game = a lost sale thats behind all this bull****. In the end the dev/publishers are as much to blame for lost profit/sales. The whole SecuROM rubbish that punishes legit customers while pirates get none of the problems with it is a great example. No doubt EA lost more money developing the DRM than they could ever of hoped to gain.

EA hurt themselves more trying to combat piracy than the pirates ever did.

 

[lunarwolf]

Someone explaining right & wrong does not mean that they are boasting about doing the right things personally, its just about recognizing what is right & wrong.
Whether someone decides to follow the wrong or right is upto them, but the problem is that some don't recognize that they are doing wrong.

+1

 

[uv]

In the end the dev/publishers are as much to blame for lost profit/sales.

a) it's have, not of.

b) rofl.

Sure, DRM can be annoying as hell. Sure, some games turn out to be rubbish.
Big whoop. Owning and playing games is a privilege, not a right. Don't want to pay for a game? Then don't play it.

Think about this: would you get a job in the PC Game developer sector, knowing just how little profit you're going to make due to piracy? It's in our best interests to pay them, otherwise there'll be nothing left to pirate in a few years.

 

[Tombstone]

Piracy isn't going to change just because you argue about the morals of it.

Thats certainly true.

For me, copying games is pretty much the same as people who use things like bots in MMOs.

Both are morally wrong (as the consensus of this thread appears to agree), both have some people who say its fine to do and some people who say its not ok to do. (though curiously it seems that more people say that cheating in an MMO is not ok than they do downloading stuff, which is in itself interesting). Neither is directly "hurting" anyone.

People can sit and moan all day long about bot cheaters in MMOs on forums, but it will never change. If anything it will actually become more common over time. Likewise with downloading stuff.

I do find a certain commonality between the two.

 

[Amnesia]

I'd prefer the pirate who is honest to us and himself .. and says 'I like gaming for free, and that's about as far as my logic needs to go so lolz'. Rather than some fakery such as 'Their license didn't let me install on 6 different laptops therefore I pirated it as some bizarre form of revenge against the evil empire'!!

you do make a funny read i will give you that ...in some posts you're above others and in others you're relating copyright theft to sex offences.

btw you ever watched porn on your computer and can you honestly say you paid for every bit of porn you have watched ?

i mean if you have then you must get one seriously embarrassing bank statement

 

[Evilsod]

a) it's have, not of.

b) rofl.

Sure, DRM can be annoying as hell. Sure, some games turn out to be rubbish.
Big whoop. Owning and playing games is a privilege, not a right. Don't want to pay for a game? Then don't play it.

Think about this: would you get a job in the PC Game developer sector, knowing just how little profit you're going to make due to piracy? It's in our best interests to pay them, otherwise there'll be nothing left to pirate in a few years.

a) what?

Good for you. I didn't pay for the 'privilege' of installing a game 3 times then having to waste money calling EA to get more. Not when i could get it for free and not have to bother with that crap. Customer Satisfaction seems not to exist sometimes. Its not in our best interest to pay if you had no intention of buying it in the first place. Either because its crap but has 1 redeeming feature (MW2 SP), overpriced (MW2 again), has ridiculous restrictions (Spore). You seem to be forgetting that IW made the decisions that caused them to be the most pirated PC game of the year. They decided to charge (yet again) an extortionate price for it. They decided to **** over PC gamers with a half arsed multiplayer system then try and justify it.

Thats certainly true.

For me, copying games is pretty much the same as people who use things like bots in MMOs.

Both are morally wrong (as the consensus of this thread appears to agree), both have some people who say its fine to do and some people who say its not ok to do. (though curiously it seems that more people say that cheating in an MMO is not ok than they do downloading stuff, which is in itself interesting). Neither is directly "hurting" anyone.

People can sit and moan all day long about bot cheaters in MMOs on forums, but it will never change. If anything it will actually become more common over time. Likewise with downloading stuff.

I do find a certain commonality between the two.

Botting and piracy has nothing in common, just because they can be both attributed to morality doesn't mean they are. Or are Murder and Theft the same thing just because both are morally wrong too.

 

[britboy4321]

you do make a funny read i will give you that ...in some posts you're above others and in others you're relating copyright theft to sex offences.

btw you ever watched porn on your computer and can you honestly say you paid for every bit of porn you have watched ?

i mean if you have then you must get one seriously embarrassing bank statement

The thing is that a sociopath is someone that can't work out what is morally wrong and what is morally right for themselves -- they have to be told.

There are people on this board who, I seriously think, are sociopaths. They literally do not think copying someone else's intellectual property is wrong. They can't work out the moral dilemma for themselves. They can't figure out for themselves the stealing is wrong -- they just know what they are supposed to think, so of course sometimes reject it.

My mum did a psychology degree and theres a simple test to see if someone is a sociopath. Consider the following scenario:

1) Girl A asks her mum if she can make some alterations to her mum's dress. Her mum says 'Yes'. She accidenally cuts a LARGE hole in her mum's dress.

2) Girl B does not ask her mum, but chooses anyway to make some alterations to her mum's dress. She accidentally cuts just a SMALL hole in her mum's dress.

NOW -- which girl was the most in the wrong? Girl A or B? Anyone 'normal' would choose a particular answer .. sociopaths always choose the other answer as they don't really understand morally right and wrong internally for themselves -- just what they are told .. (incidentally moral judgements are only worked out aged about 5. Ask any kid younger than this, and they will answer the same as the sociopath adult .. they don't understand the morality issues, just what they've been told)

Quite interesting really ...

 

[Tombstone]

Botting and piracy has nothing in common, just because they can be both attributed to morality doesn't mean they are. Or are Murder and Theft the same thing just because both are morally wrong too.

I wouldnt say nothing, I've just listed several things they have in common. Or are you saying that those things I listed do not apply to both?