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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what you're paid to do?
If it's really all that bad why don't you leave and get another job?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what you're paid to do?
If it's really all that bad why don't you leave and get another job?
Well that's like saying "I enjoy being an IT techy, yet hate the stupid problems people cause themselves", It's a small part of a job you really enjoy, everyone has the right to not enjoy doing things and I imagine most people in most jobs have utterly ridiculous additions to their day they really wish they could do without. No job is perfect.
I have personally never had a bad experience with the police, the admittedly few times I've been involved with them they have been helpful, informative and quick about their business, hell I've even been searched a few times and its always been quick and polite, had the police around to my house 3 times before and it's always been within minutes.
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Somehow, I don't think 16+ hour shifts due to bureaucracy & staff shortages, overcrowded cells and politicians making snide remarks are part of typical police protocol. Could just be me...
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I think Andy's point is that he takes umbrage to what Mr Straw has said and not that he hates the job.
Cops get shafted left right and centre for rest days cancelled, shifts changed at short notice, ordered to stop back and all manner of things that would not happen in a civilian work environment or even be considered for that matter.
It all boils down to one reason. Public service.
You must have missed the part where I said I didn't complain, I just got on with it.
I've been doing it for 22 years so that perhaps shows how much I think of it, always been front line.
Like Von Smallhausen I've made no secret of my job. I'm proud of it, well respected in my City. I get people coming up to me years later saying things like "excuse me, you dealt with years ago and I never got the chance to thank you personally". I have been commended and have recently received a Long Service Medal for Exempliary Police Service. It is the small things however like letters of thanks that mean the most.
The problem with most people in this Country is that they cannot think for themselves, content to have their opinions served to them by a rag of a newspaper or a third rate Politician like Jack Straw. They then come out with banial comments like the op and yours. BTW What Job are you paid to do?
At this time of the year the days are pretty short, and there's not much direct sunlight, so it might be possible...
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By posting your 'typical' night to show how hard life is you ARE complaining about it. I think the police are very well paid relative to other jobs they could be doing with similar qualifications. If they have to fill in mountains of paperwork to make sure people end up with a fair trial then so be it. There seem to be a lot of knuckle-draggers in the force at the moment, and if the bureacracy keeps them in check then it's fine by me.
I don't really see the relevance of my career to the discussion, but since you ask I'm an electrical engineer working to 'keep the lights on'.
And on a more serious note:
While I would guess that the police does have a few cases of plumbum pendulans, the vast majority of officers signed up precisely so that they could be out on the streets. The various officers I know love to help people, and love to nick villains. But, like teachers, they loathe the constant, often well-meaning but ill-informed, political interference. Like any large organisation (and it doesn't get much bigger than the government) there are simply too many people who have the power to change the way a fed (sorry VonS, I seem to remember you don't like that term?) does his/her job. Every last junior minister, jumped-up local councillor, Chief Super who has polished his desk for too long etc, can all add a form or two "for important information". The Home Office has a group which sets out how many of the official forms are to look, but every force then plays silly ******s with it, so every version looks different. And every last junior manager likes to change the forms to show that they are a "Master of Change" so they look good at the next round of pen-pusher leap-frog. The result is a constantly changing blizzard of impossible to understand forms almost exclusively designed by people who don't have to use them. The officer will have to fill out the same information on several forms because there's no way to populate several forms at once - because that would need one manager to take overall change. And since that would mean all the other would have to be his/her biatches, then that's not going to happen.
Give these/gals a machine which filled out the forms for them, and hand them an ASP and some CS, and most would just love it - even in the depths of winter.
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While I would guess that the police does have a few cases of plumbum pendulans, the vast majority of officers signed up precisely so that they could be out on the streets. The various officers I know love to help people, and love to nick villains. But, like teachers, they loathe the constant, often well-meaning but ill-informed, political interference. Like any large organisation (and it doesn't get much bigger than the government) there are simply too many people who have the power to change the way a fed (sorry VonS, I seem to remember you don't like that term?) does his/her job. Every last junior minister, jumped-up local councillor, Chief Super who has polished his desk for too long etc, can all add a form or two "for important information". The Home Office has a group which sets out how many of the official forms are to look, but every force then plays silly ******s with it, so every version looks different. And every last junior manager likes to change the forms to show that they are a "Master of Change" so they look good at the next round of pen-pusher leap-frog. The result is a constantly changing blizzard of impossible to understand forms almost exclusively designed by people who don't have to use them. The officer will have to fill out the same information on several forms because there's no way to populate several forms at once - because that would need one manager to take overall change. And since that would mean all the other would have to be his/her biatches, then that's not going to happen.
Give these/gals a machine which filled out the forms for them, and hand them an ASP and some CS, and most would just love it - even in the depths of winter.
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How many of those jobs involved being assaulted on a regular basis? Informing people of the deaths of loved ones? Being the first on the scene of a violent death? I hope you get the idea, but I'm guessing by some of your posts, that your seething hatred of the police will probably prevent you.
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I think he posted it to show that the statment about staying in the warm and afraid to go out was complete balderdash....
He aint complaining about the job itself, he was complaining about the comment been made by some prat given the level of commitment he feels he puts into his job.
Having been at the London NY celebration, I think the police do a sterling job when faced with the morons they have to deal with. A copper even made me simile when I over heard his conversation with one of the revellers.
R - Do you have water
O - No
R - why not
O - am not thirsty.
I think that sums up the unrealistic expectation of the police by some.
I work in a job were I have had to deal with the police quite closely and it does depend on the officer, some are absolutley brilliant and comitted but at the same time I have come across some who are quite dire. This is a generalisation but in my view they all tended to dislike dealing with domestics and may well be due the reasons Von Smallhausen has mentioned.
R - Do you have water
O - No
R - why not
O - am not thirsty.
I think that sums up the unrealistic expectation of the police by some.
I work in a job were I have had to deal with the police quite closely and it does depend on the officer, some are absolutley brilliant and comitted but at the same time I have come across some who are quite dire. This is a generalisation but in my view they all tended to dislike dealing with domestics and may well be due the reasons Von Smallhausen has mentioned.
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I think PCSO's should just be replaced with German Shepard police dogs.
No you would call a ****** Policemen a Stranger to you that would come & take him on for YOU whilst yo hid behind your keyboard !!!!
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Sorry mate but your post highlights how little you know and I really do not mean any offence there.
Bureacracy and less time on the streets which is where cops want to be keeps them in check how and how do reams of paper filled in triplicate ensure a fair trial ?
So I can assume that you haven't been kicked, punched, spat on, headbutted, threatened to have your house burned down and your OH raped or had a knife pulled on you or had a WWII .303 Bren gun placed in front of you during a drugs raid ?
Couple that with cutting down a depressed man who is dead and swinging from the upstairs bannister and being first on scene at a 16 year old lad who couldn't take life any more jumped off a bridge and lay mangled at the bottom or perhaps having a seriously injured biker literaly die on you while holding your hand and two days later his girlfriend phoning you at work to ask what his final moments were like ?
All of the above has happened to me.
I think the bulk of cops earn their pay.
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...and ALL of which you knew would be happening when you took the job. There is a long queue of people waiting to join the police force. If it's really that bad and you think you could earn the same money elsewhere, why don't you leave?