Islamic protest march planned for Wootton Basset
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Because the 'Daily Fail' and other bigoted idiots say so!
This is not an Islamic state, it never was and it never will be.
Whats that got to do with the price of fish?
Do you understand the question/point?
Islam was invited into this country. Muslims should shout out against people who disrespect their hosts.
Semantics. what you describe would be considered under meanings 1 or 2. Its not really important, as I used the word to mean group and not a genetic characteristic. Angilion just picked up on that to avoid explaining his postion. As he was more comfortable with the word group I edited the original post anyway.
Besides the word "Race" in context of people is purely a social construct which has a wide semantic range and can be attributed to groups of humans, whether by nationality, religion or genetic attributes. In reality there is only one race, the human race.
Black or Asian Or White isnt truly a "Race" either, that is Ethnicity, but again its semantics and irrelevent as the meaning was obvious.
There is always the Nation of Islam....
I think it is very important to avoid the use of the word "racism" when talking about religion. Discrimination over characteristics you cannot choose and cannot change (easily) should always be more serious than discrimination over characteristics you choose. Islam is a religion, it is a religion which at it's heart is dicriminatory and bigoted (and not the only religion to be so I quite freely admit) and so therefore should be open to much more criticism than a genetic trait or grouping you cannot choose or change.
While I agree the word "race" is a somewhat vague term I think it would always be incorrect to use it to describe muslims and I don't feel that any of the descriptions under the definition you posted actually apply to Islam.
Good post.
Wow, a well thought out and insightful post! Well done you!
What are you even talking about? Nobody is suggesting the UK is an Islamic state, and people are certainly not suggesting the UK should be one? I think you've got confused...
A small number of rogue western soldiers are committing war crimes and murdering, raping innocent civilians, if you don't believe this is occurring considering the number of soldiers there then you are being very naive imho!
Of course you cannot tar the whole army with the actions of a few mental lose cannons but to claim that our forces are ONLY killing terrorists and NEVER kill completely innocent people is laughable !
All of which pales into insignificance against the number of civillians which are killed by the taliban. But it does seem that Mr Choudary, like far too many (even moderate) muslims, are quite prepared to ignore the killing when it is muslims doing it.
I've seen plenty of Muslims who have called this lot of extremists ****s. On this forum, on the FB group and on other message boards as well as on tv. Oh and not forgetting the BMC also denounced it.
That not enough for you? What would you like to see? Thousands of average Muslims taking to the streets holding up signs saying "THOSE EXTREMISTS ARE ****S AND WE'RE NOT LIKE THEM"? Perhaps this would convince you that most Muslims hate these idiots, and not the other way around, like you seem to think at the moment.
Why are scum like these allowed to walk our streets?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...eving-families-their-heroes-died-in-vain.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...eving-families-their-heroes-died-in-vain.html
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Quite possibly because other religious groups don't enjoy strapping explosives to themselves & running into crowded areas to kill as many innocent bystanders as possible,
or take hostages & cut their throats & post it on the internet
or hijack planes & fly them into tower blocks
or .........
I do not disagree with what you say. The English language is an organic language, meanings of words change constantly. I wasn't suggesting that Islam was a different sub-section of humanity or different ethnically. This was the reason I edited the original post to assauge any more confusion over my meaning.
Discrimination is discrimination no matter whether the trait you are being discriminated against is voluntary or not and all discrimination should be treated as equally wrong.
I do not agree that Islam is inherently any more bigoted that any other religion or political party or ethnic group or whatever. People interpret ideology as they see it, some with a bigoted view, some with an extreme view, most with a moderate view. To suggest that Islam is different in this way is discriminating against it.
Because of course the actions of a few criminal elements should see our armed forces branded as 'merciless'? There are probably just as many members of the Afghan National Army doing exactly the same.
As do we when the West are doing it. The Blackwater six for example. Where was the Christian churches when the serbians were ethnic cleansing their Muslim population?, they denounced it much the same as the moderate Islamic groups now. Why are we always holding Muslims to a different set of rules than other like groups.
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