Islamic protest march planned for Wootton Basset
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I never made up anything. I gave my interpretation of your statement, which you then refused to qualify. That is all. Again Hubris. You have been making it up as you go along, you accuse me of things i have not done because you do not seem to understand what was put to you. That isnt my fault, your lack of comprehension isnt my fault. dont bother answering this because it will just be more waffle and hubris. leave it as it is.
I started the thread at the request of others who said we were hijacking this one, before I decided Angilion didnt want to qualify his statement anyway. so not funny really, unless you are under 12.
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Why has this thread generated into posting quotes from ancient Christian mythology ? Talk about Muslims living in the dark ages 
The existence of God is a myth along with Goblins & fairies, & the Loch Ness monster & the sooner the world awakes to this very obvious fact then the better it will be.
The existence of God is a myth along with Goblins & fairies, & the Loch Ness monster & the sooner the world awakes to this very obvious fact then the better it will be.
--Regardless of what they stand for--
The following is part of their letter to the families of British soldiers who have died in the Afghan/Iraq wars:
Do you disagree with that? It seems to me that their protest is to highlight that British soldiers are sent there causing instability and all sorts of problems, ending in body bags from both sides for the profits of some politicians and their friends. It has nothing to do with freedom or whatever else, it's just about money and power. What's wrong with believing and protesting about that?
The following is part of their letter to the families of British soldiers who have died in the Afghan/Iraq wars:
Do you disagree with that? It seems to me that their protest is to highlight that British soldiers are sent there causing instability and all sorts of problems, ending in body bags from both sides for the profits of some politicians and their friends. It has nothing to do with freedom or whatever else, it's just about money and power. What's wrong with believing and protesting about that?
what a stupid statement, how will it be any better?
Why has this thread generated into posting quotes from ancient Christian mythology ? Talk about Muslims living in the dark ages
The existence of God is a myth along with Goblins & fairies, & the Loch Ness monster & the sooner the world awakes to this very obvious fact then the better it will be.
Everyone will just find something else to justify their murder and extreme views.
Why has this thread generated into posting quotes from ancient Christian mythology ? Talk about Muslims living in the dark ages
The existence of God is a myth along with Goblins & fairies, & the Loch Ness monster & the sooner the world awakes to this very obvious fact then the better it will be.
Fact?
So you can prove it then?
So far you believe in an unprovable theory like they do.
You advocate removing/abolishing their belief like they do yours.
You ridicule their belief like they do yours.
You believe their unprovable theory leads to immoral conduct and murder, as they do of yours.
Seriously though if you can prove this either way you're about to become one of the richest men alive.
Profit: The Iraqi oil contracts which are being given to British firms, with BP first in line and British Gas bidding for a second well at the moment. Check it up, it's not fantasy. Iraq has 115 billion barrels at the moment in reserves. The oil firms stand to make 2$ per barrel which is over 10% operating profit per barrel.
Instability: Do you really think that Iraq and Afghanistan are more stable now politically and internally than what they were before the war? I am not talking whether they are more 'free', but how stable they are. They are in total chaos as far as I can see.
Crimes: Perhaps it has not occured to you but any civilian casualty in a war is not necessarily justified. The truth of the matter is that during wars atrocities do take place. Just because there is no news-system infrastructure to report all that is happening there it doesn't mean it doesn't. We know very well from previous invasion-style wars (i.e Vietnam) that war crimes take place and very few ever get known. British (and all other) soldiers ARE invading a country, for whatever the reason. The people there are defending their beliefs and traditions regardless whether you view them as correct or right. Therefore they are the victims of the invasion (i.e in a gunfight between soldiers and insurgents the latter are in a way victims). The fact that some lunatics brought down the Twin Towers is no excuse to invade a whole series of countries.
Whether the country (or countries) would be torn apart and in a civil war is not something we can say with certainty. However they were doing pretty ok before the Axis of good invaded them. When had you heard about Afghanistan or Iraq before the invasion, as in internal turmoil and civil war?
Their website seems to be offline. Just google for
islam4uk letter to families
and check out the cached version. To be honest, the reason why they claim they are protesting is nothing more than a protest against the British government's unlawful invasion to Afghanistan.
They see it as wrong and I bet many others are against the war, so where exactly is the problem?
Now, what they might actually believe is a whole different issue, I'm just criticising what they are 'claiming' to be doing the protest for.
The BP Chinese group got it because they offered the best deal by far
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...701252/BP-wins-biggest-Iraq-oil-contract.html
So what you're saying is in a live televised auction between any oil company that wanted a shot at it, Britain somehow "forced" the Iraqis to chose the best deal?
Also where are all the contracts going to the Americans then?
This is not Iraq this is about afghanistan. Anyway provide a link as far as I know we have no oil contracts. even if we did there is no profit, the war has cost us many times the oil.
Again this is about Afghanistan and continuing forces there. The country without help would be in turmoil. The war has happened you can not go back. therefore to withdraw is totally unacceptable.
Evidence, That this is being done routinely and with knowledge. That letter is a disgrace, opinionated and a lie. It can not be compared to Vietnam war or world wars, those had large relatively light trained army.
why are they ignoring all the other countries in Afghanistan. it is not just UK and America the ISF is sanctioned by the UN and includes many countries.
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Err, BP Chinese group? BP is British Petroleum. It was BP and the Chinese Petroleum Corporation that got jointly the first bid. It was a consortium.
What I am saying is that since the British and the Americans control the Iraqi government, then yes, they forced them to take up the respective bids. 2$ per barrel, albeit a high operating profit for BP, is not something that many other oil companies can suck up. However BP knows very well that in the very soon-to-be future these kinds of deals will be reversed to their benefit. After all this is just the precursor of other contracts to come.
As for the American contracts, perhaps you should look it up, I'm not interested in spoon-feeding you. Besides oil the Americans have the contracts for the whole reconstruction and rebuilding of the country. How about that?
P.S As for 'forcing the government', the deals were secured unconstitutionally, as per:
Still think they were not 'forced' ?
I have cited sources for the oil deals, a simple google search will unearth them. They took place around 12-13 December 09.
You ignore the fact that the cost of war is born by 'you', the taxpayer. The profits are for the oil companies' shareholders and the politicians who are guaranteed places as non-execs when they retire. Therefore the war associated cost has no relevance to the profits. It's not a business case.
The invasion in Afghanistan was necessary, from a strategic point of view, for the preparation and continuation of war in Iraq. Otherwise it would have been impossible to rally all the troops and supplies for the Iraq invasion.
I didn't say it is being done routinely but you cannot deny that it is being done, and to the knowledge of the commanders there. Asking for evidence of it is childish. no one had similar evidence of the atrocities in Vietnam until well after the war when people could actually go there, document and uncover what had happened.
I don't know and it doesn't matter. I'm just saying that they claim to protest for the unlawful invasion. To that I would expect to find many British people agreeable with them.
The fact that they need to be sectioned for the rest of the crap they say in their website is irrelevant, we are discussing the topic at hand.
EDIT: About the atrocities and the evidence you requested:
Private Joshua Key reported US soldiers playing soccer with the decapitated heads of Iraqi soldiers on CBC Newsworld. 2007-03-04.
Six US soldiers have been charged with gang raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl then murdering her, and her 5-year old sister and her parents. Accused include Pcf. Steven Green of Midland Texas, Spc. James Barker, Sgt. Paul Cortez, Pfc. Jesse Spielman, Pfc. Bryan Howard and Sgt. Anthony Yribe.
The four soldiers — Pfc. Corey R. Clagett, Spc. William B. Hunsaker, Staff Sgt. Raymond L. Girouard and Spc. Juston R. Graber have been accused of killing blindfolded Iraqi detainees for sport.
Col. Michael Steele ordered his soldiers to “kill all military age males”.
Lining up unarmed civilians and shooting them execution style, just as the Nazis did.
American soldiers used napalm in the attack on Fallujah. Napalm has been banned by the UN since 1980.
On 2005-03-01, Dr. Khalid ash-Shaykhli of Iraq’s Ministry of Health made the revelation at a Baghdad press conference: U.S. forces used mustard gas, nerve gas and other burning chemical weapons against Iraqi civilians in their November assault on the city of Falluja
and many, many more here: http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqatrocities.html
Granted this is for Iraq but I couldn't be bothered searching for Afghanistan too. I am certaint there are many there as well.
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