Islamic protest march planned for Wootton Basset
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Your obviously not Muslim then
no **** einstein
Funny, that what she said to me this morning...
I think you'll find she was looking accross you to at me. Anyway, you still haven't thank me for the reach around
Absence of proof is not proof of absence.
I think that the existence of pretty much any god as described by pretty much any religion is as likely as the existence of Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker and the rest of the Star Wars crew, no more, no less. I can't prove the non-existence of either, or any characters from any other stories made up by people. I assign a higher probability to some form of entity or entities who had some sort of creative role in this universe and higher still to some sort of entity or entities who had some sort of creative role in humanity but not the rest of it (e.g. genetic manipulation of earlier hominids). But I see no evidence of any of that and it has no relevance, so I don't believe any of it. I just consider it possible to varying (but very small) degrees because it can't be proven false.
Noah's Ark is a ludicrous tale that makes no sense as written and can be considered disproven simply by being so utterly impossible. It might be a huge exaggeration of a true story about a family who survived a flood. It might be completely fictional. It can't be true.
Adam and Eve...well, maybe in a sense. If you draw a line somewhere in the past between human and pre-human hominid, you're going to get someone who was the first on the human side.
Wrong. You, more than once, made a statement of your own which you claimed was mine. Of course I refused to qualify your statements. They're yours, not mine.
I see that 'hubris' is your new favourite word.
I understand that you've made statements and passed them off as mine. That's why I've been able to point them out, repeatedly, to the extent of giving post numbers and quotes.
I'll give another demonstration of my comprehension of your posts:
In post 402, you wrote this:
In post 404, I quoted your claim and asked you to substantiate it.
You didn't, unsurprisingly, because it's not true.
Quotes were yours, Interpretation of those quotes were mine. Get a life mate. Believe what you wish and move on, I didnt substantiate it because this discussion is boring me now. You cannot understand what my meaning was so its pointless continuing it.
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You can quite easily disprove the existence of Luke Skywalker as a real entity, You can prove this by knowing the Actor/writer/Filmmaker that created it as a piece of fiction and those people with verify this as true. I suppose you do not see any evidence of genetic manipulation in early man in your profession as an Alien Sociology student.
Why is it impossible, would it not be possible to bulid a ship large enough to carry the local flora and fauna of a given area. Improbable, but not impossible.
If you assume the Adam and Eve characters to be referencing Tribes of Mankind, instead of individuals, then a case can be made to its authenticity in parts.
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You can quite easily disprove the existence of Luke Skywalker as a real entity, You can prove this by knowing the Actor/writer/Filmmaker that created it as a piece of fiction and those people with verify this as true. I suppose you do not see any evidence of genetic manipulation in early man in your profession as an Alien Sociology student.
The author (aside: did George Lucas write the story himself?) might have been unknowingly been writing about real people and real events, through some unknown means which planted them in his mind in a way that he experienced as his own imagination. Is that really so much more implausible than the revelation stories of religions?
The author might have been contacted somehow by someone from another part of the universe (though not necessarily from a galaxy far away) and given the story for some reason, but was sworn to secrecy and told to present it as a work of his own imagination.
So you can't easily disprove the Star Wars stories. Which doesn't mean they actually are a true history, of course.
As for the genetic manipulation thing, that's why I said I attach a much higher probability to it - I consider it more plausible that it could have happened without any clear evidence showing nowadays.
No, it would not be possible to build a ship as per the story. The story doesn't talk about local flora and fauna. Also, you're talking about up to 14 of each and every animal, plus all the necessary food and drink for 40 days and nights. Then there's the issue of urine and faeces from this horde of animals. Then there's the issue of exercise space. Then there's the issue of keeping them apart so they don't kill each other. Or eat any of the huge tonnage of land plants you'd be bringing as well, together with the soil and water to keep those plants alive.
All this in a wooden boat that could be built millenia ago. Even now, wooden boats cannot be made anywhere near large enough. Even if you ignored the religious story and made it only local flora and fauna, you still couldn't get within orders of magnitude of the required size. Even the current US Navy's huge aircraft carriers wouldn't be anywhere near big enough. Wooden boats, even when reinforced by steel, just a couple of hundred feet long leak like sieves and need constant pumping even in calm seas.
The only way the Noah's Ark story could make sense as written is if it was a spaceship and the flora and fauna were stored as genetic samples to be grown 40 days later when the ship reached Earth.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you referring to two hunter-gatherer tribes meeting and founding the first permanent settlement? That might have been enough of a change to become seen generations later in that settlement as the beginning of more or less everything.
A case can be made to its authenticity in parts with individuals. There is strong evidence of a very great deal of common ancestry between humans across the world.
lol its just you two mainly now having a reasoned debait
I'm confident that anyone who cares could look back through the argument and see that I'm right. But I doubt if anyone does care. It's not like either of us is anyone important. I also realise that Gaidin109 might think that anyone who cares could look back though the argument and see that they're right.
Us arguing might have entertained some people, but it probably annoyed more people than it entertained and it wasn't doing anything useful. It's not like we were going to agree - better to bin the whole argument and talk about something else.
See this thread is proof on what religion does to people in today's world!
In the olden days the debate would have been settled by someone getting burnt at the steak.
Mouth watering steak.
Black Jesus shakes his head in shame.
Come on now man. That's poor form right there.
In the olden days the debate would have been settled by someone getting burnt at the steak.
Mouth watering steak.
Black Jesus shakes his head in shame.
lol its just you two mainly now having a reasoned debait
Come on now man. That's poor form right there.
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When you take into account the countles millions of species of animals, insects,birds etc that existed back then - way more than now- then how can anyone believe the idea that a wooden boat could carry two of each kind ? that such a collection of animals could even be accumulated ?
Could anyone consider that such a boat could be built today with modern materials & technology ?? no doubt the reply will be -it's possible -when the answer has to be no & yet because it's written in the bible it must be true. I wonder how they manged to capture a Polar Bear
The answer lies in the fact that the ancient scribes knew nothing of other continents & the animals that lived there, how could they ? apart from camels, donkeys, goats & perhaps a couple of hundred other animals & birds known to them.
And as for Flora & insects -need I go on ?
One of Adams ribs turned into a Woman called Eve, this must be true -it says so in the bible.
Google images for Adam & Eve & look at the paintings depicting them by the old masters,
notice anything odd apart from that they're all white persons with Eve usually having golden hair, I must take a closer look at Palestinians, maybe I missed something.
Yes they mostly seem to have a navel even tho they could not have had an umbilical chord, why is this then ?
The answer is that artists just like the biblical scribes fantasised & didn't stop to think or take into account pure reality.
In the dark ages men believed in god, they also believed in dragons, witches & goblins. This is the space age & it's time to move on
Why would it be the whole worlds animals, it would have been the animals in the close proximity of the boat. Which is more than doable. There has been a few pictures of a large boat like object buried in snow high up in a mountain. Who knows what it is until we can find it. But it is interesting.
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Errr - doesn't it say the whole world was covered in water for 40 days or whatever in your good book ?
We must presume that the other 100,000,000,000,000 species of animals & Flora were good swimmers & floaters ?
Here's a quote
God also instructed Noah to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, along with every kind of food to be stored as food for the animals and his family while on the ark. Noah obeyed everything God commanded him to do.
After they entered the ark, rain fell on the earth for a period of forty days and nights. The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days, and every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out. As the waters receded, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. Noah and his family continued to wait for almost eight more months while the surface of the earth dried out.
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My good book?That all depends how literal you take it. There is good evidence showing the dam to the Mediterranean ocean (or somewhere around that area) broke and flooded the entire region, as well as the flooding at the end of the last ice age. A few countries would be considered the whole world to them. if they don't know the other countries exist. then it is not part of the world.
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Double post,lol
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...sett-slam-hateful-Choudarys-protest-call.html
Not all Muslims can be said to be extreme. And Muslims do speak out against others in their religion unlike what some might say on this thread.
Not all Muslims can be said to be extreme. And Muslims do speak out against others in their religion unlike what some might say on this thread.