Why are we now **** in snow?

We had snow like this last year, at least we did in east Lancs. And didn't London have it bad too?

I remember decent snow many times over my 24 year lifespan, I simply don't understand how older people don't knoe better yet.
 
i remember the snow last Jan, but there wasnt 6 inches of it with snow forecast for another 2 weeks like there is now.
 
and a mile is what, a 10 minute walk? :)

About 20 minutes - I'm not leaving my car 20 minutes away from my house beside a main road covered in snow thanks :)

Especially when there is no need - I can simply walk a mile to the bus stop or if it comes to it, walk to work as its about 4 miles.
 
When and why did the UK become **** in snow? Is this snow different?

I think several factors are to blame:

-Driving is cheaper, so the ratio of idiots to capable drivers is higher.

-Cheap hatchbacks are now fitted with alloy wheels with wide tyres. The grandparents Mk2 facelift Punto is quite bad in snow because of this, and a friends Yarris can't get out of their driveway. Yet our old jelopy Mk1 punto on narrow tyres is completely unstoppable, it just won't get stuck and not for lack of trying. Look at cars for the masses in the bad old days and they're all on skinny tyres.

-I don't think the lack of grit is to blame at all, but I suspect people used to go some way towards clearing snow off their own street.

Compared to when?
 
i remember the snow last Jan, but there wasnt 6 inches of it with snow forecast for another 2 weeks like there is now.

Hardly snow forecast. The new two weeks will see 'light snow showers' occasionally maybe perhaps in a handful of places in the UK, everywhere else is getting sun and clouds albeit with freezing temperatures still.
 
As mjt said, it really comes down to not having the right equipment, the tyres we all use are the main issue. Sure, some people do drive like planks in the snow, but for some of us, we simply can't get any traction to get anywhere to even act like a nob, that's down to not having the right tyres for the job, or chains etc. I can't even get out of my road right now.

I can get the car off the drive, but getting it back on requires some ...ingenuity and good old fashioned elbow grease, you try pushing a bloomin XJ anyway! ...light and aluminium it might be, but trust me, in thick snow, it isn't that light at all.
 
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even if we get this snow every year, it's only for a week or two at the most.
countries that get proper snow have this for the whole winter period, and everything is adjusted accordingly
 
even if we get this snow every year, it's only for a week or two at the most.
countries that get proper snow have this for the whole winter period, and everything is adjusted accordingly

Indeed, speaking of which, I thought you lived in Norway? ...or am I imagining that.
 
Indeed, speaking of which, I thought you lived in Norway? ...or am I imagining that.
i did, moved back home in the summer though.
glad i did tbh, it's -25C in the village i lived in atm

and central norway woke up to -42C this morning :eek:
coldest since 1987..

Global warming my **** ;)
 
Were you even alive then?

Nope, but if I was and my circumstances were the same (at uni without a job and from a well below average income family) I certainly would not have a car.

What if visibility is less than 100m due to the snow falling and the highway code recommends use of fog lights.

Rear fogs would be perfectly acceptable, I've used them in such conditions this winter. But I want visibility less than 25m before you even consider fog lights, they only light the road right in front of you.

and a mile is what, a 10 minute walk? :)

A mile is a long way carrying a 530i, and I'm not convinced Fox could pick it up at all.
 
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lol i saw some chav earlier in a punto or some rubbish small car stuck in the snow as i was walking down the hill, the idiot was reving the crap out of his rice cooker for over a minute before he decided to get out and clear the snow from around the wheels.

i saw a taxi driver who surely should know better drive into a fresh car park covered in a foot of snow then it took 6 guys pushing to get him out.


i saw one old guy with common sense get out of his car pull out a shovel and clear a nice little path for himself so he could get some momentum before his car hit the snow.
 
IMO its more a lack of knowledge rather than a lack of experience that is the problem.
Was out with my mum today and i had to keep telling her to use the gears to slow down on downhill bits because the brakes were locking up the wheels.
Also things like keeping the momentum up so you dont get stuck. Usually when the car lost traction (cornering or accelarating) mum would panic and take her foot right off the accelerator and then the car would slow down and it would be hard to get going again.
 
IMO its more a lack of knowledge rather than a lack of experience that is the problem.
Was out with my mum today and i had to keep telling her to use the gears to slow down on downhill bits because the brakes were locking up the wheels.
Also things like keeping the momentum up so you dont get stuck. Usually when the car lost traction (cornering or accelarating) mum would panic and take her foot right off the accelerator and then the car would slow down and it would be hard to get going again.

My grandmother was moaning that "the semi-automatic gearbox in her Punto wouldn't let her change into 2nd gear below x mph, so she couldn't move off in second or even get into second without going quite quickly".

So don't write off old people or girls.
 
IMO its more a lack of knowledge rather than a lack of experience that is the problem.
Was out with my mum today and i had to keep telling her to use the gears to slow down on downhill bits because the brakes were locking up the wheels.
Also things like keeping the momentum up so you dont get stuck. Usually when the car lost traction (cornering or accelarating) mum would panic and take her foot right off the accelerator and then the car would slow down and it would be hard to get going again.

Most of that is just common sense though to be fair, then again, the irony of 'common sense' is, that it seems to be not all that common at all.
 
Nope, but if I was and my circumstances were the same (at uni without a job and from a well below average income family) I certainly would not have a car.

Just wondering how you are comparing now to then. You weren't alive then so I dont see how you can claim people are worse drivers now.
 
Just wondering how you are comparing now to then. You weren't alive then so I dont see how you can claim people are worse drivers now.

Oh, I thought you were questioning my claim that cars are cheaper now.

I'm basing the idea that the average standard of driving has worsened on everything anyone I know who was driving in the 70s has told me about driving back then, and guessing that this change (if there is a change) is because cars are more accessible to more people who are unable to get a better job. Maybe it's because there's more cars on the road, maybe drivers are no different now than in the 70s.

Were you driving in the 70s? What's your take on drivers today?
 
The snow is not effecting me work wise at moment as im off sick during this lovely snowy weather at moment.

The other week when we had snow I did'nt even attempt to drive my car down my hill to work at 5:30am in the morning, its just not worth the risk of bumping something half way down the hill where the hill comes to a sharpish turn, I told my manager when i managed to get in at 11am that I was willing to come in if work was willing to pay my excess on my insurance or any expenses due to an accident.

I do think its a tyre issuse as said above but its also for the fact the roads now adays are littered with cars park by the sides of roads and people just dont want to chance hitting a car from a skid or slide in the snow.

Im not that old im 26 and even I can tell the difference in the amount of cars on the roads compared to when i was a kid. My street when i was a kid and the main road had the odd cars parked up but these days my street is full of car's parked from top to bottom on one side almost and the main road is full either side until you get to the post office and then people double park as to create a bottle neck so only 1 car pay pass at a time.

If the roads had no car's on them apart from ones driving on them then people would'nt worry so much about sliding as they would only hit the curb if they did happen to slide.

As for gritt you would be surprised how good the damn stuff is, I gritted my girlfriends hill the other day as she was unwell and i needed to take her to hospital to see what was wrong so I went out and gritted the bottom and bend of where she lives and the stuff ate through the compacted snow / refrozen slush within minutes.
 
Rear fogs would be perfectly acceptable, I've used them in such conditions this winter. But I want visibility less than 25m before you even consider fog lights, they only light the road right in front of you.

Ye but you have to remember that a lot of cars these days have the fogs on the same switch, so you have to put the front fogs on before you put the rear fogs on, stupid I know but thats car design for you!
 
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