Nick Griffin on Haiti

[wozencl]

Surely you could have used your powers of deduction after reading the OP to find my stance on the subject ?

I did. Why would somebody post a speech by Nick Griffin without opinion or rolling eyes unless they agreed?

I for one will not be donating a penny to a stranger when I have troubles of my own to deal with, no matter how big or small.

By "You could have saved us a lot of time if you'd included this in your OP." I meant that I, and others here, could have avoid wasting our time responding. Your position on this and I assume many other subjects (I'll take a guess... immigration is one.) is extreme and unlikely to shift as a result of discussion.

You could have simply posted the speech and included your "I aint givin no money to peoples until I has got me own probs sorted innit" at the the end. Saying that I suppose you would have missed out on the validation you feel the subsequent discussion has given you.

 

[steve-h]

For the 2 weeks I have been unemployed (out of 15 years plus IN work), yes that is the case.

2 weeks out of work and you have to choose between starving and keeping the pet alive??

 

[p4radox]

Why ?

A human is a human. An animal does not share the same level of intelligence or consciousness.

As much as I loved my cat (when she was still around), if I had to chose between her and another person, it'd always be the person.

That's right we should all follow the teachings of p4radox.

the family pet or eating, give the money to charity LOL!

Way to misrepresent my position.

 

[Tom0]

Darkstar, just give up.

I thought it would have been obvious by now (but you aren't seeing it) that SOME people have bought into the demonising of Nick Griffin.

Anything he says is extremist babble to a few, they will always take the opposite stance and argue it to the death. Even if the thread has gone a little off track to your personal circumstances to argue the point.

Not saying everyone that has/will reply to this thread is of that nature, some arguements for/against the subject are fair. Some (obviously) just see the name Nick Griffin and just go berserk.

 

[Gothic Draconia]

Well God doesn't help the poor Haitian people so some country has to. Further proof of the loving God hey?
I'm all for helping them but the burden doesn't just lie with the UK or a handful of 'rich' countries.

 

[daz]

I for one will not be donating a penny to a stranger when I have troubles of my own to deal with, no matter how big or small.

Are you never ever thankful for what you have got?

 

[GreatAuk]

But our constituents cannot afford your generosity with their taxes.

Globalism has destroyed our industries, the banks have ruined our economies, EU red-tape is strangling our entrepreneurs and the carbon tax scam is plunging millions into deadly fuel poverty.

The death toll in Haiti is shocking, but this winter more than 50,000 pensioners in Britain alone will die premature deaths because of the cold and the cost of heating. Across Europe the death toll will run into hundreds of thousands.

But because the truth shames the political elite, and because it highlights the inconvenient truth of global cooling, this scandal will be buried as quietly as our elderly dead.

Wow, I didn't know he was a climate change (well, warming) denier - just one more reason for me to dislike him.

I really don' think that argument stands up at all - it seems to me that what he's saying is 'nope, we can't afford to help out Haitians because we are all dying of poorness ourselves' - which is clearly untrue. We are very well off as a country, I can't believe anyone would use an argument like that! I don't know whether aid would help much at the moment (with bottlenecks in supply, and because we are a fair old distance from Haiti etc.), or whether taxes should pay (as he seems to be suggesting might happen), or just donations.... But however/if ever financed, I just think saying we are too poor to each give a few quid (even a few thousand quid each on average if we had to) to save some peoples lives (which it may, or may not do) is absolute BS.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

I'm donating the princely sum of £0.

 

[Nix]

Well God doesn't help the poor Haitian people so some country has to. Further proof of the loving God hey?
I'm all for helping them but the burden doesn't just lie with the UK or a handful of 'rich' countries.

No it doesn't, but why should we sit and wait whilst others dither when a response is needed immediately?

 

[Darkst4r]

Well God doesn't help the poor Haitian people so some country has to. Further proof of the loving God hey?
I'm all for helping them but the burden doesn't just lie with the UK or a handful of 'rich' countries.

They don't even help themselves. It took 2 days before gangs of machete wielding maniacs began robbing and looting bottles of champagne and cigarettes from supermarkets. Hardly life sustaining fayre necessary of stealing.

 

[p4radox]

Darkstar, just give up.

I thought it would have been obvious by now (but you aren't seeing it) that SOME people have bought into the demonising of Nick Griffin.

Anything he says is extremist babble to a few, they will always take the opposite stance and argue it to the death. Even if the thread has gone a little off track to your personal circumstances to argue the point.

Not saying everyone that has/will reply to this thread is of that nature, some arguements for/against the subject are fair. Some (obviously) just see the name Nick Griffin and just go berserk.

I agree that there's often an overreaction as soon as NG is mentioned. However, it's not hard to understand really when you consider the things he believes and the views he holds.

In a perfect world, every argument would be considered on its merits, but some people lost their credibility a long time ago.

 

[p4radox]

They don't even help themselves. It took 2 days before gangs of machete wielding maniacs began robbing and looting bottles of champagne and cigarettes from supermarkets. Hardly live sustaining fayre necessary of stealing.

The same would probably happen in the UK. If people steal stuff now, how much easier would it be after a natural disaster?

 

[steve-h]

A human is a human. An animal does not share the same level of intelligence or consciousness.

and?

I don't think there's anyone who would give to the Haiti charities instead of keeping their family pet alive :/

Just imagine how it would sound... coming home to your family from the vet "well I was going to pay for the treatment... but then I saw they had a charity box" LOL!

 

[Tom0]

I agree that there's often an overreaction as soon as NG is mentioned. However, it's not hard to understand really when you consider the things he believes and the views he holds.

In a perfect world, every argument would be considered on its merits, but some people lost their credibility a long time ago.

That's completley fair to say, but some dont even consider the merits at all.

 

[VaderDSL]

Why is the life of a family pet of 8 years any different to a human life ? How much have you donated ? All these liberal hippies that keep spouting off about humananity probably haven't donated a single penny to haiti.

A young girl had her hand amputated without anesthetic in one story I read. Comparing this sort of tragedy with a pet becoming ill is pathetic. Some people have absolutely no perspective in here.

 

[DarkShadow]

Why is the life of a family pet of 8 years any different to a human life ? How much have you donated ? All these liberal hippies that keep spouting off about humananity probably haven't donated a single penny to haiti.

Are you for real?

I really do pity the state of humanity at times like these.

 

[rodo]

I think this thread is yet another recently in GD of recent that highlights the importance of pet insurance and the difficult position people can be put in when pets get ill and they don't have it.

And even though I don't have much at the moment I'll make sure I give something to the Haiti appeal. It's times like these that we should recognise how lucky we are. Even if you're not giving, and I respect that decision, don't shun the unimaginable position which those people are in right now.

 

[p4radox]

and?

I don't think there's anyone who would give to the Haiti charities instead of keeping their family pet alive :/

Just imagine how it would sound... coming home to your family from the vet "well I was going to pay for the treatment... but then I saw they had a charity box" LOL!

But that's not what I'm saying. The original point I was arguing against was the question of "Why is the life of a family pet of 8 years any different to a human life?".

I agree that given the choice between saving a pet and donating the money to charity, my money would probably go on the pet. But trying to compare the two levels of tragedy is quite strange. The objective observer would surely say that the life of the Haitian was more worthwhile saving.

 

[Darkst4r]

A young girl had her hand amputated without anesthetic in one story I read. Comparing this sort of tragedy with a pet becoming ill is pathetic. Some people have absolutely no perspective in here.

And the other week a dog was thrown off a bridge and crippled. Both sad things I agree but one is not worse than the other.

 

[mufc802]

And the other week a dog was thrown off a bridge and crippled. Both sad things I agree but one is not worse than the other.

It can be to different people, ie the dog owner would agree it's worse that his dog died, and the same to the parents of the girl.