Nick Griffin on Haiti

[Matteysan]

Brilliant. So you think the £20 million is getting handed out to the people? Something tells me that money will be used to buy food and shelter and medicine. Which is obviously a lot more cost effective than sending food and medicine all the way from the UK, which would take god knows how long.

No I don't think the 20million is getting handed out to the people at all stop trying to twist what I have said.

The money will most likely be shifted off to the Haitian government & they aren't exactly known as the saints of the world are they now? Maybe a few charities & organisations as wozencl said also.

I'm not really concerned no, I just feel that the vast amount of money being sent that way at the moment will be going to line the pockets of a corrupt government. Yes maybe a fair amount of it will be used to aid the people of Haiti.

If I could afford a plane ticket out there right now I would gladly go & help in their efforts to fix/rebuild the country.

 

[Biohazard]

What are you talking about then? If we didn't have the money, we wouldn't have anything to donate, yet we have. It comes as debt to us, but debt that we can pay off or deal with over time. Who cares when there's people in Haiti with pressing needs right now who need help? They are so much more worse off than us. We have a moral obligation to help them. An obligation as a country who can, and should help them. Your 'global natural disaster' scenario is irrelevant. It doesn't happen like that. If it did, the redistribution, rather than accumulation, of wealth about the worlds countries will help those worse off with very little impact on our lives relatively speaking.

And we are helping, donating a random amount on a comedy sized cheque is not necessarily the answer to their troubles.

Obviously donate things for on the ground, and man power is free of course if it can get there.

Other than that, I don't think its governments job to pledge millions of pounds year after year for the in 'cause' of the time. My scenario is apt, as every year there is something else for us to go 'oh aye, we'll pay part of that'.

Look at Hillary Clinton arriving on the news this week, all dressed up to the nines arriving on red carpet having a lovely introduction, smiling away like it was Paris or London etc. No apparent mavity of the situation she just flew into on her face or style or approach. No, just 'cameras' and another opportunity to put the show on.

I feel sick looking in the paper each day, but insert 'x' amount of money isn't always the answer. And the people who use these things to their own ends is sickening, but then your sick if you speak out...

 

[Nix]

unless its in our own country or in afghanistan where our soldiers are dying needlessly

The irony being here - why are our men over in Afghanistan dying at the moment? It's because we're trying to help (amongst other contentious reasoning). Read some literature on the subject, I'm sure you'll find that many ex-servicemen will give that exact same line of reasoning.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

In this disaster. Money > Food/Water in the broader spectrum sadly to say. Right now the Aid effort is bottlenecking and all the international aid is being piled up high out of the reach of the starving, angry, frustrated, thirsty people and it's being prepared for the UN world food operation to dish it out. Another thing to note is that most of the food that will be 'donated' to the aid effort will be completely unsuitable for use. Canned goods unable to be opened, mouldy bread? You get the idea.

Money provides the UN, Red Cross and all other aid organisations currently working on the disaster with a means to purchase and send lots more bulk supplies of medical equipment, food, water, clothing, and shelter. One fool may think that thrusting $$$ in the face of a haiti'ian is mockery, but step back and you realise, It's for the greater good. The money also will be used to build new homes after the disaster and can be used hundreds of different ways.

On the topic of money be used for the UK instead. Don't the government have a annual portion of the budget devoted to international aid that's in the tens of millions already?

If you want to argue about how the government allocates their annual budget to different areas then make a new thread, but this thread isn't for that.

Your post will, of course, be ignored, but by God it summed it up nicely.

*doffs hat*

 

[Things change I've changed]

unless its in our own country or in Afghanistan where our soldiers are dying needlessly

That's a whole other thread topic tbh, I actually agree with our troops being in Afghanistan and I agreed with the invasion of Iraq (although not for the reasons it got passed).

 

[Biohazard]

I know my history. I know we're not perfect, and I know we have a very tainted past. But - and this is the point you're missing - culturally, this is what we've chosen to be. It echos back to the abolition of slavery and has engrained in our culture since.

As we still sit in the houses, cities and foundations that we forced them to build.. oh how lovely it all turned out in the end.

At least with our cups of tea we can sit and talk about how much better we are today as a society for it.

Three cheers to Britain.

 

[Nodiggidy123]

That's a whole other thread topic tbh, I actually agree with our troops being in Afghanistan and I agreed with the invasion of Iraq (although not for the reasons it got passed).

it is. like nix said just wanted to appreciate the irony.

tbqfh id like to know where the government got the money from to donate it. im suprised any bank would touch us!

 

[alex24]

insteart 'x' amount of money isn't always the answer

Correct, of course. What do you suggest? What can we do right NOW that will give them more benefit? Would could spend the time debating what the right action to do is whilst people are dying?

We don't have all the answers, nor a magical cure for this problem. Giving £20 m is damn sight better than giving nothing at all though, and it will save many lives. It's the best means we have to help at this time.

I still haven't heard a valid reason why we shouldn't help these people who are clearly suffering. All I've heard is misplaced patriotism.

 

[Biohazard]

Correct, of course. What do you suggest? What can we do right NOW that will give them more benefit? Would could spend the time debating what the right action to do is whilst people are dying?

We don't have all the answers, nor a magical cure for this problem. Giving £20 m is damn sight better than giving nothing at all though, and it will save many lives. It's the best means we have to help at this time.

I still haven't heard a valid reason why we shouldn't help these people who are clearly suffering.

Who in here has said we shouldn't help? Because that would be standing by doing nothing and quite inhumane.

Help doesn't just = £££

You have just said yourself its not the 'panacea of medicines' so to speak.

 

[Matteysan]

Your post will, of course, be ignored, but by God it summed it up nicely.

*doffs hat*

I'm not going to ignore his post, but if all the money goes to what he is saying it does then I'm all for it. As long as it isn't going to a corrupt government, It needs to go directly to Red Cross & other aid organisations.

Maybe I was a bit hasty with what I said I guess.

The way the world got together to help the people of the 2004 tsunami was amazing & a good example of what good can come from people helping each other, not just by throwing money at it but being pro-active in the way of the rebuilding/clearing of the destruction that occurred.

 

[Nix]

As we still sit in the houses, cities and foundations that we forced them to build.. oh how lovely it all turned out in the end.

At least with our cups of tea we can sit and talk about how much better we are today as a society for it.

Three cheers to Britain.

Some of our towns and cities were funded by slavery, Bristol for example being one due to the 'Triangular Trade Route'. Slaves didn't build our houses, they were working in the sugar and tobacco plantations. Tea was from China and India, where it was likely to be indentured labour rather than forced. So, if you fancied a quip at the white-man's burden here, you'd be better off sucking on your pipe.

Britain has a bad past, but we've also done great things for the world, so it's moot. I'm not saying anymore on the matter because this is far too great a tangent for this thread.

Britain were the ones to abolish slavery first, and we were the ones to enforce it, and this was at a time when chasing a profit meant everything and amorality was easy. It cost us a lot of money in trade and then in military policing to abolish slavery. Britain did this as a cultural and moral movement, not a political one. It's part of our culture to stand up for those who can't. Where do you actually think the USA's idea of liberty came from? It came from intellectual movements deep within Britain and spread over to the states. Britain as a colonial power became very benevolent at its peak, and we even sacrificed the whole damn thing to win a war we didn't have to fight, but still chose to.

Damn right, three cheers to Britain.

 

[Beansprout]

Look after No 1 I say.

So who will look after you when you need looking after?

 

[alex24]

Help doesn't just = £££

You have just said yourself its not the 'panacea of medicines' so to speak.

Well then answer my questions. What do you suggest? What can we do right now that will give more benefit in such a short space of time? You'd rather we kept the money?

 

[Nodiggidy123]

Well then answer my questions. What do you suggest? What can we do right now that will give more benefit in such a short space of time? You'd rather we kept the money?

send all the chavs on benefits out there to help them?

 

[Jet]

No I don't think the 20million is getting handed out to the people at all stop trying to twist what I have said.

The money will most likely be shifted off to the Haitian government & they aren't exactly known as the saints of the world are they now? Maybe a few charities & organisations as wozencl said also.

I'm not really concerned no, I just feel that the vast amount of money being sent that way at the moment will be going to line the pockets of a corrupt government. Yes maybe a fair amount of it will be used to aid the people of Haiti.

If I could afford a plane ticket out there right now I would gladly go & help in their efforts to fix/rebuild the country.

As far as I'm aware no money at all will be given to the Haitian government.

It seems as though you're looking for reasons not to give or reasons to complain about our government giving. In fact, it's worse than that since you're effectively making up reasons that don't exist which may deter others from donating. You've done no research into the subject and it shows.

As well as the aid (which goes to the Red Cross, World Food Programme, World Health Organisation, UN office, etc) we've sent teams of search and rescue specialists as well as firefighters. And also search and rescue equipment and search dogs, but funnily enough it costs money to get them there.

Even if you were given a plane ticket you wouldn't go. And even if you did I'm guessing you have no specialist expertise or experience in these situations so you would be next to useless.

 

[taz488]

I have no time for what that man has to say, and fail to see why so many people do.

 

[Bluraybunny]

Thread title fails to deliver ......I hoped it meant he was on haiti at the time, and was now under it.

 

[konicky]

Of course, dear.

Thanks for proving my point!

 

[Nix]

Thanks for proving my point!

Sorry to break it to you, but you didn't have a point to begin with.

 

[Loki]

Cant say I agree with this guy on a regular basis but this certainly makes sense to me. With us being left the bill for the bankers **** ups and the recent hike in VAT what do they really expect us to donate, shirt buttons ?

Heres the speech he gave to the European parliament on the recent disaster in Haiti :

The horror of Haiti is shocking, and it is only human to feel compassion for the innocent victims of this natural disaster.

All here are well paid – and can afford to give. I will give my attendance allowance for today, if every other British M.E.P. will do the same. But our constituents cannot afford your generosity with their taxes.

Globalism has destroyed our industries, the banks have ruined our economies, EU red-tape is strangling our entrepreneurs and the carbon tax scam is plunging millions into deadly fuel poverty.

The death toll in Haiti is shocking, but this winter more than 50,000 pensioners in Britain alone will die premature deaths because of the cold and the cost of heating. Across Europe the death toll will run into hundreds of thousands.

But because the truth shames the political elite, and because it highlights the inconvenient truth of global cooling, this scandal will be buried as quietly as our elderly dead.

Hundreds of thousands of our own people are dying because of government neglect and EU Cold Taxes, yet you insist on throwing other people´s money at a disaster in someone else´s backyard. This is not compassion, it is stinking hypocrisy.

I know this place is uneasy with our Christian heritage but, as always, our Bible reveals an eternal truth that most here would rather ignore: 1st Book of Timothy 5. 8:

“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

And they say that the BNP does not appeal to the uneducated Dear oh Dear. You have been bleating on about being out of work for two weeks and facing a choice of your family pet or eating.

So no redundancy then that you are entitled to from the government ?. You do also realise that you can get low cost animal care from the RSPCA ?

It would be foolish to suggest that the money given to Haiti could not be used here. But as a tax payer for a number of years who was also made redundant for a short period, I am more than happy for some of my hard earned taxes to try and help those less fortunate who are in a true crisis like this