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[cb_linus]

Live a little, spend your money how you want and **** AMD.

...

Until then AMD can go **** themselves....

Family forum dude , though I understand your sentiment

This many on a page it takes a while to load, and by the time they have i've got bored. Time wasted if you ask me

<--- posting from 13" Macbook.

I quite like the images that illustrate the posts, I can just open the thread in a new tab and read it when I'm ready. I don't think Intel & AMD necessarily have a David & Goliath relationship though - they've taken turns in being leader surely?

Big.Wayne is obviously very passionate about AMD, and illustrates an interesting case for AMD chips being better value for many gamers, as well as the argument for whether most people will use the maximum potential processing power of their cpu before moving on to something new, although enthusiasm directed to just one hobby can be a bit blinding , there's a whole world of interesting things out there but I start to digress...

AMD have had plenty of high priced chips in their time so far and I imagine once they start to compete with the likes of the i7 920 etc they will do again.

 

[easyrider]

It is funny

i3 clocks to 4ghz on air thats the point. Who runs their hardware at stock?

People who buy i3 will be buying to clock them to 4ghz and play games stuff.

The i3 here is beating all of AMD's range in WOW here.

One running at 4ghz is serious bang for buck for 90 quid.

 

[easyrider]

Family forum dude , though I understand your sentiment

**** = Love

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

i3 clocks to 4ghz on air thats the point. Who runs their hardware at stock?

People who buy i3 will be buying to clock them to 4ghz and play games stuff.

The i3 here is beating all of AMD's range in WOW here.

One running at 4ghz is serious bang for buck for 90 quid.

Can you guarantee all 4GHZ overclocks then??

What degree of stability tests were done??

How much does an overclocking capable socket 1156 motherboard cost??

How much does a suitable aftermarket cooler cost then??

How many people overclock the CPUs in their computers then??

How many people who do home-builds overclock the CPUs in these computers then?

I can safely say that most of the Core i3 530 processors in the world probably won't be overclocked.

Most people would not be looking at theoretical highest clocks of one CPU versus the theoretical highest clocks of another.

The fact that there can be batch to batch variation in overclocking ability means you can never 100% guarantee any overclock for a CPU.

They have got better things to do then fine-tuning hardware.

Just because someone builds a computer does not make them a hardware enthusiast.

Overclocking enthusiasts only make up a small percentage of most PC owners and hence their views are mostly irrelevant to most PC users and gamers.

More over cherry picking one or two benchmarks does not help your cause.

The fact that you are trying to attack people in this thread and even swear indicates that you are very childish.

 

[easyrider]

Can you guarantee all 4GHZ overclocks then??

Early signs are showing yes

How much does an overclocking capable socket 1156 motherboard cost?

Well most with i3 get a H55 mobo £74.99 will see you 4ghz with an i3 530
Done here in early testing on this forum

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-234-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1124

How much does a suitable aftermarket cooler cost then??

Well 4ghz has been tested with the stock cooler...

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=14

How many people overclock then??

Quite a few who post here and amny enthusiasts.It is overclockers afterall

How many people who do home-builds overclock then?

Lots

More over cherry picking one or two benchmarks does not help your cause.

No there is enough info out there that proves my point.At least get a decent link up..Hardly Cherry picked its fact.

The fact that you are trying to attack people in this thread and even swear indicates that you are very childish.

Its tongue in Cheek and me and Big wayne relish our discussions. But with 26 post's I suggest you


a: Get some decent links up

b: Get to know people properly on the forums before talking BS at them

c: Do some research and read up on clocking results...4ghz i3 is very easy

Have a read here

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=15690862&postcount=4

 

[Big.Wayne]

<--- posting from 13" Macbook.

I quite like the images that illustrate the posts, I can just open the thread in a new tab and read it when I'm ready

cool!

Do you have to scroll left or right or just up & down?

I don't think Intel & AMD necessarily have a David & Goliath relationship though

It was meant to be us vs Intel actually!

It's my optimistic notion that we little people can make a difference!

Big.Wayne is obviously very passionate about AMD, and illustrates an interesting case for AMD chips being better value for many gamers

It may seem like that but my passion is actually Hardware, overclocking, bang for buck etc . . . . I'd like to think there are like-minded people to myself still posting on this forum so I just made a post about what I think is great hardware . . . just happens to be AMD at this moment in time . . .

This thread won't be of interest to everyone but as long as it's of interest to some then it's all good. I certainly did not intend to upset anyone or point fingers at i7 owners but I can't help but wonder how many newbies/lurkers walk away from these forums brainwashed into spending a lot more money than they need to.

Don't really see a problem with this thread myself, it's just a discussion!

enthusiasm directed to just one hobby can be a bit blinding , there's a whole world of interesting things out there but I start to digress...

I understand what your saying!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

b: Get to know people properly on the forums before talking BS at them

This is the whole point!! You are the one with the attitude.

As long as everyone agrees you seem to be fine but then the moment anything says anything to the contrary you have issues.

Have fun in your little fiefdom!!

 

[easyrider]

This is the whole point!! You are the one with the attitude.

As long as everyone agrees you seem to be fine but then the moment anything says anything to the contrary you have issues.

Have fun in your little fiefdom!!

You suggest to me that I cherry pick results to reniforce my point..

All I ask is that if you want to discuss..be prepared for me to denounce you claims.

I answered all your questions with links to actual data.

The facts are there.

I'm not going to agree with suggesting going AMD when for the same price one can buy a faster system with i3

 

[Big.Wayne]

i3 clocks to 4ghz on air thats the point. Who runs their hardware at stock?

People who buy i3 will be buying to clock them to 4ghz and play games stuff.

Well according to this poll a lot more people that you realise!

The i3 here is beating all of AMD's range in WOW here.

That discussion can be had in another thread . . . . for now can I please ask you focus your train of thought on the AIIX4620 vs i7920 . . . If you have nothing further to contribute on this particular topic then please feel free to leave and contribute to another thread!

This one is intended to illustrate how the Athlon II X4 competes with the Intel Core i7 and perhaps demonstrate to any potential buyers out there that the Core i7 is not the only option . . . . once they scrubbed the i7 from their pick-list then we can discuss the next best option in another thread!

We have all heard what you have to say, loud & clear so please don't feel the need to keep repeating yourself again and again, you made your point and we can get to the i3 comparisons sometime in the near future . . . hopefully you will have bought some hardware soon with a little chunk of that mountain of cash of yours! £££££

From what your saying it sounds like your nearly confident enough to purchase something . . . could it be i3 I wonder!

 

[easyrider]

We have all heard what you have to say, loud & clear so please don't feel the need to keep repeating yourself again and again, :

POT KETTLE BLACK

 

[Big.Wayne]

btw Happy!

Congratz! . . . that's some awesome folding there buddy!

 

[easyrider]

@wayne

Some points you failed or chose not to answer in my previous post.

Wayne,

You're a gamer no?

Is i3 not faster than athlon II in games for the same price?


Is i3 not just a good solution for the same budget?

 

[1kiwi]

I don't think this forum is Bias.

I think this forum members like to have the fatest kit out and really don't give a stuff about saving 100 quid on a chip if that means the golden 4ghz+ i7 crowd.

I think you missed my point. I.e., that this forum is bias in the sense that we want the fastest kit. Whether there is any real use for a Quad @ 4.2Ghz is another issue.

All i'm trying to say is that Wayne has a point RE bang for buck but most of us (OCUK forum members) just want the best setup they can afford.

 

[easyrider]

but most of us (OCUK forum members) just want the best setup they can afford.

Yup

 

[craptakular]

Could you also consider the costs of software? I mean you could use linux and not windows and save a packet

 

[easyrider]

Could you also consider the costs of software? I mean you could use linux and not windows and save a packet

Yeah Wayne!

ner ner ner ner

 

[craptakular]

Yeah Wayne!

ner ner ner ner

The same could be used for both system!!

If you were a photoshoper you could use GIMP for example and save like £200.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Off Topic:

Some points you failed or chose not to answer in my previous post?

I do believe you make it a habit to not answer questions and have developed a fine line in constantly missing the point . . kinda makes any attempt at a reasonable conversation with you pointless . . . most of your posts rely on your usual Argumentum ad hominem Technique which is really not called for in a technical forum!

I'm not particularly impressed at how you speak with other members of the community, keep that up and you will end up with no-one to talk with except yourself . . . there are plenty of other people on these forums who are more knowledgeable & friendly than you so I dare say my time is better spent with these likeminded individuals . . . I have practically nothing in common with you at all . . .

Is i3 not faster than athlon II in games for the same price?

Well as I have already told you a few times already I am analyzing the differences between AIIX4 and Core i7 and trying to draw a conclusion before moving onto the newer Core i3 (there is a lot of data involved), however you seem to not understand this? . . Please refrain from deliberately attempting to take this thread off topic with your Argumentum ad ignorantiam

All I will say for the moment is I have not seen sufficient data on the Core i3 to make any assumptions, if you feel strongly about this then please feel free to invest some of your time in creating a new thread full of facts and figures and I will be glad to contribute!

Is i3 not just a good solution for the same budget?

That remains to be seen, the burden of proof lay with you and I will be interested to see what you come up with in your thread. Just to say though your grasp of financial figures have always been wildly innacurate and therefore cannot be taken seriously. Athlon II X4 is *cheaper* than Core i3 in the real world so your basis for arguement is weakened already, there is also one or two other Athlon II chips I can use in your i3 comparison but that is another debate altogether (for another thread). I would suggest you read more than a single Anandtech article before making assumptions, I would also suggest you buy some hardware and stop giving it the large!

If you want to be helpful in this thread then please take up the other side of the debate I am presenting and demonstrate some strengths of Core i7 that I have perhaps missed . . . other than that I won't be drawn off topic by yourself any futher . . .

 

[Big.Wayne]

Could you also consider the costs of software? I mean you could use linux and not windows and save a packet

You have a good point although that falls outside the scope of this discussion!

 

[Pendu]

@Wayne

Some points you failed or chose not to answer in my previous post.

Wayne,

You're a gamer no?

Is i3 not faster than athlon II in games for the same price?


Is i3 not just a good solution for the same budget?

Don't mean to chime in on an argument between you two, but what Big.Wayne is trying to say is, is the i7 920 worth twice as much as the AthlonII 620.

Does it give you exactly twice the performance of the AMD setup which costs half as much.

I believe Big.Wayne is trying to make the statment from the perspective of your average OCuK forum consumer. Which it's evident you don't fall in that category, however using your own post, do you think the i7 920 is worth twice as much as the i3 system you spec'ed. Ignoring the fact you seem to want to use it without a decent overclocking cooler.

By the way great post Big.Wayne.