If something can be rationalised, then there is less uproar. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me, given how the media in general love to add useless facts or omit important ones to make for a spicier story.
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If something can be rationalised, then there is less uproar. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me, given how the media in general love to add useless facts or omit important ones to make for a spicier story.
Then protecting the public from these people is going to be much harder as rehabilitating them will be very difficult indeed.
Personally I would question their mental state and have all the tests carried out to see if they are actually mentally sane. Well adjusted and loved children simply don't commit these sort of crimes or at very least it's extremely rare!
For the punishment of these extremely rare case's I don't really know, but one thing I'm sure about and that is that they should not be allowed back into society until it is deemed conclusively that they no longer pose a threat to society, which I fear in these case's could be never
So you would agree then that if this particular 13 year old is one of these minority cases, that 3 years isnt enough? That he should be put away from society until its deemed conclusively that he no longer poses a threat to society?
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Because it's the 'Daily FAIL' and his not 'white'
You really think this racist and bigoted gutter press would miss an opportunity like this??? Please......
Technically there isnt any evidence to assume either way. In fact, in case...especially ones of criminal law, assumption is a very dangerous thing (assumption either way)
I don't believe that it's a minority case, as said these are 'extremely' rare.
Evidence is the wrong word.
Based on what has happened, the likelihood of him having a messed up childhood is far greater than not. Until proven otherwise, if any assumptions had to be made, it would be in favour of crappy upbringing.
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Because it's the 'Daily FAIL' and his not 'white'
You really think this racist and bigoted gutter press would miss an opportunity like this??? Please......
No come on...now you are just being silly and just as bigoted as the newspaper you bemoan. This particular case is covered by literally dozens of different media forms (not a single one of them mentions a bad/poor/abusive upbringing). Not only the Daily Fail. Astounding though it might be to some learned readers, just because an item is covered in the Daily Fail it doesnt mean its automatically untrue.
True. Though better still would be if no assumption were made either way. Certainly when I did jury service one of the absolute key instructions we were given was that we should make no assumptions.
Of course their is, how's about the thousands of other similar case's.
If 75-80% of said young offenders come from high risk environments, is it not safe to say that children in such environments are more likely to become youth offenders than say a well adjusted child from a loving environment ?!?!
Of course their is, how's about the thousands of other similar case's.
If 75-80% of said young offenders come from high risk environments, is it not safe to say that children in such environments are more likely to become youth offenders than say a well adjusted child from a loving environment ?!?!
In a generalisation maybe, but you cant then apply that to a specific case. Like I say, we were specifically told not to make assumptions about any aspects of a case. Regardless of what evidence there might be. As I said above, we cannot (or at least certainly should not) make any assumptions about a case, because the moment we do make an assumption we automatically skew our view and judgement of said case.
But so many people are already jumping to the conclusion that his upbringing was fine, and he's just pure evil.
Swings and roundabouts.
By the way I talking about these crimes in general and NOT just this specific case, as said if we want to make a difference and try to reduce these horrible crimes then we need to look at the whole picture to discover the underlying cause.
Until we can establish the cause in the majority of these case's then we stand no chance of trying to prevent it.
As already stated imo and that of pretty much every expert in this field the underlying cause in the majority of these case's is upbringing and environment.
This IS what needs to be tackled if we stand any chance of preventing future crimes
Until we can establish the cause in the majority of these case's then we stand no chance of trying to prevent it.
As already stated imo and that of pretty much every expert in this field the underlying cause in the majority of these case's is upbringing and environment.
This IS what needs to be tackled if we stand any chance of preventing future crimes
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Which is why no assumption should be made either way. Which is why I asked, if it turns out that his upbringing was fine, would a 3 year term in a young offenders institute then be a suitable punishment?
Thats very good and true that we should try to prevent rather than cure. However..that doesnt really make the woman in this case feel any better does it. It doesnt address the psychological and physical suffering that she has suffered.
I would certainly like to see someone sit in a room with her and her boyfriend and tell them that 3 years is fine. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall and see the outcome of that conversation.
