Hi Dolph...
Factually you are correct with the population density, but my argument relating that to panic, i.e. Crime etc. holds true:
http://cjsjournal.brinkster.net/harries.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
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Hi Dolph...
Factually you are correct with the population density, but my argument relating that to panic, i.e. Crime etc. holds true:
http://cjsjournal.brinkster.net/harries.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/crimewatch/wanted/index.shtml
Gotta love immigration lol
Gotta love immigration lol
Really? I wouldnt say london was particularly cramped on the whole, vast areas of the city are just business, and there's a fair amount of unused land and open space, I'm sure the same or not too disimilar residency figures could be reached with say 3/4 storey town houses over the same land area.
Obviously it's taking it to an absolute extreme but, the Dharavi slum in India has an estimated million people living and working within one square mile, and there's no high rise buildings there.
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Maybe Brits don't make decent criminals and get caught. Maybe that's why they're not on crimewatch?
I find it interesting that among the most wanted people in britain are a pickpocket and a conman who poses as peter kay's brother to rip pubs off.
Fails to amaze when I write a comment and at the end state I wasnt intending to offend but someone has the audacity to make such a blunt statement back. I would also like you to answer how ones own opinion can be deemed as wrong, as most of the post was opinion based with some made up examples ?
Oddly, most paedo rings are British...
Hate to point this out, but the conclusion of your first link doesn't hold with the suggestion...
Especially when you read the surrounding caveats where they discuss sampling size and other influences...
I'm also not sure the second example actually supports what you are saying, given that it doesn't include population densities, only population numbers.
It may be true that higher population density increases 'fear of crime', but that is a different issue, especially if not truly supported by the statistics.
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I'm pretty sure, that it is possible to fit the entire population of the planet, onto the isle of white, does this mean that we should? NO..
Can the United Kingdom as a whole support a growing population? NO..
When did this change occurr? About 100 years ago with the advent of cleaner living, when the life expectancy went up, and the infant mortality rates went down, add into that the number of immigrants in the last 60 years, and you end up with a country that is spiralling out of control.
Population density isnt the problem here, it really isn't.. what is the problem, is the ability of the system to support that population. Do we actually have enough jobs for 60 million people, or enough food to feed them, enough doctors to care for them when they get sick? No, we don't, that's why we have an ever growing deficit, and outsourcing of NHS to other countries..
I'm pretty sure that I saw not too long ago, a report that showed how the world was managing on a global scale, over the last hundred years or so, it showed that the human race was, for hundreds of years, approximately 2billion people, worldwide. And in the last centuary, despite our own best attempts to annihilate ourselves, the population has tripled to over 6 billion, and in the next 40 years, another 2 billion will be born.
Traditional farming techniques are already failing to provide large enough yields and I'm starting to sound like that 'Jimmy' chap off the tele, so I'll stop.
The UK cannot support the current population, so really, we need to close the doors for a few years... put up a sign...
"No Vacancies"
Can the United Kingdom as a whole support a growing population? NO..
When did this change occurr? About 100 years ago with the advent of cleaner living, when the life expectancy went up, and the infant mortality rates went down, add into that the number of immigrants in the last 60 years, and you end up with a country that is spiralling out of control.
Population density isnt the problem here, it really isn't.. what is the problem, is the ability of the system to support that population. Do we actually have enough jobs for 60 million people, or enough food to feed them, enough doctors to care for them when they get sick? No, we don't, that's why we have an ever growing deficit, and outsourcing of NHS to other countries..
I'm pretty sure that I saw not too long ago, a report that showed how the world was managing on a global scale, over the last hundred years or so, it showed that the human race was, for hundreds of years, approximately 2billion people, worldwide. And in the last centuary, despite our own best attempts to annihilate ourselves, the population has tripled to over 6 billion, and in the next 40 years, another 2 billion will be born.
Traditional farming techniques are already failing to provide large enough yields and I'm starting to sound like that 'Jimmy' chap off the tele, so I'll stop.
The UK cannot support the current population, so really, we need to close the doors for a few years... put up a sign...
"No Vacancies"
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I hate how people say that what they say is their opinion and cannot be deemed wrong. You made an assertion which is incorrect for numerous reasons, whether you think it's an opinion is irrelevant.
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What do you suggest, a return to the pre-industrialised era?
We could easily produce enough food to feed ourselves if we altered our diet. The other points (deficit and NHS) are a result of mismanagement and fundamental errors in design rather than an inability to provide these services.
Jobs are an interesting one, because during the same timescale you cite, the vast majority of households have moved from one employed to two, a social change that shows that there is no direct shortage of jobs, only changes in lifestyles that result in changes in jobs...
I'd beg to differ, they are failing to provide sufficient yields for our expanding population with current diet/wastage habits. Not quite the same thing at all.
Best impose some restrictions on the existing population too if that is really the case... I look forward to how the state pension ponzi scheme will function if population expansion at the lower and middle ends is forced to stop...
Just 1 line from the conclusion for point 1
"By and large, the available evidence increasingly tends to suggest that most types of crime tend to increase in levels of occurrence with increasing population density."
Funnily enough, exactly the same discussion around opinion is going on in the Prison education thread... It seems to be a trend.
But the population of the UK is actually pretty stable, irrespective of immigration, the average number of children per family is currently 1.8, that directly means that in years to come our population will fall, there will be more old people than there are young. There are less people being born than there are giving birth to them.
But the report also acknowledges that correlation is not causation based on the nature of the studies available, and the specific geographic areas studied...
true... but by and large means in general and it's the last point as a synopsis/ summary to the report.
In any case I guess we're both drifting off point. I'm not against Immigration so long as it's regulated. I do still believe that this country is already over-populated and the main problem I guess on the infrastructure(health service, schools, police etc.) is mass-immigration and the after-effect has generated the animosity some people have towards immigration in general.
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But what is the average number of children per family for ethnic minorities vs white families?, it maybe 1.8 atm for the whole of the UK, but when you take into acc that as a separate group ethnic minorities birth rates is 10/15 times higher than white families that does not mean that our population will fall because as their population increases then so does the amount of children per family, it may not be a concern atm but if things don't change it will be.
A lot of the housing shortage is due to the irrational opinion of the public - or as it's otherwise known, planning laws.
Hence why you can produce study after study on how safe nuclear power plants are, but no-one wants one in their backyard, to either live by or the fact their house value will drop like a stone when said nuclear power plant is built.
Likewise the lack of tall buildings in London because people have an irrational attachment (it looks nice, it's historical) to St. Pauls Cathedral and suchlike.
If you let people build whatever they wanted without requiring it to 'preserve the character' of the locality, or 'preserving Green Belt land' but rather on the basis of the most effective use of land, our housing shortage would be fixed in less than a decade.
Hence why you can produce study after study on how safe nuclear power plants are, but no-one wants one in their backyard, to either live by or the fact their house value will drop like a stone when said nuclear power plant is built.
Likewise the lack of tall buildings in London because people have an irrational attachment (it looks nice, it's historical) to St. Pauls Cathedral and suchlike.
If you let people build whatever they wanted without requiring it to 'preserve the character' of the locality, or 'preserving Green Belt land' but rather on the basis of the most effective use of land, our housing shortage would be fixed in less than a decade.
This is wrong. The 15 times figure was the total growth rate including immigration where the ethnic minority population grew by 15% and the white population by 1%.
Then again, it's not hard for a minority to produce such 'shocking' figures.
If a 1,000 people increases by 500 to 1,500 - that's a 50% increase.
If 1,000,000 increases by 500 , it's a 0.05% increase. Or 1000 times higher growth rate - ZOMG!
From here:
http://iussp2009.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=93139
This is the fertility rate of the different ethnic groups in the UK. Note how with time (and integration) the minorities rates decline towards the British norm.
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