To those who dislike UK "immigrants"

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I'm just waiting for the days when the papers are done with the whole Muslim thing and we have stories of Christian extremists riding through villages on horseback in full Templar armour hacking at heathens.
 
Sorry, clue me in. Are we talking about 'Ethnic on White' statistics or immigration (of all colours) in general? So regardless of any bigger issues, we reach for skin colour first. I will have so much more respect for people if they can just straight up admit they're racists and then we can work from there.

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It is clear that people's main problem is 1. 'Black' people and 2. Muslims
 
I'm just waiting for the days when the papers are done with the whole Muslim thing and we have stories of Christian extremists riding through villages on horseback in full Templar armour hacking at heathens.

Indeed the link between Terrorism and Islam seems overly strong compared to the reality, what about Timothy McVeigh or the IRA and their antics, no doubt 9/11 was a tragedy but since then "terror = Islam extremism" for the media and for many idiots "terror = Islam".

And then lets not forget the link between terrorism and terror. Terrorists don't terrorise me, If I saw one I wouldn't exactly be terrified per se. And I imagine if you look at the statistics more people die from digestive biscuit crumbs or something stupid statistically than the evil TERRORISM.

Anyway what does Islamic Extremism have to do with immigration? Most immigrants aren't Muslim extremists, probably not even Muslims and are no more likely to commit a crime than your similarly wealthy native. Most immigrants are poorer however which is why they might be statistically higher to commit a crime. I don't advocate prejudice against poor people either but lets face it if you are hungry, have no money or job and you can't get benefits you aren't going to let yourself die... and if they have had no education you can't really hold being poor against them too much. anyway that is another debate.

You just need to make sure immigration is steady and of people that we need, no point in under educated non English speakers simply joining the dole, They also need to make sure government services such as police are able to handle with more people, the money will come back once they start paying tax in a months time.

I am happy to keep EU immigration, it benefits the UK as much as it does foreigners. The EU isn't exactly 3rd world but I would definitely be looking at immigration from the rest of the world and making sure they are useful to our country and it is at a steady rate we are prepared for.


If I was to lose my job and have to claim unemployment benifit I would do so in the knowledge that my parents and their parents and many generations before that have been paying taxes in this country for centuries and so I would feel entitiled to receive it, the same cannot be said for someone new entering this country and holding their hand out.

With regards to this, I agree you are entitled, but not because of your parents, but because you will once be back working again and will pay tax. Are you suggesting those with parents in Prison or on benefits shouldn't be entitled to benefits? because their parents didn't pay like the immigrant?

It is about your past or your future, not your relatives.You have paid int he past and you will pay in the future. There should be a measure in place that stops fresh immigrants claiming for a certain amount of time to stop them just getting on the dole, if there are no jobs then don't come here. I agree. But I am pretty sure something like this is already in place.
 
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for many idiots "terror = Islam".

Muslims make up 20% of the world’s population, their involvement in over 50% of the world’s terrrorist groups is telling and troubling.

  • Islamic: 64
  • Secular nationalist: 36
  • Marxist/Maoist: 13
  • “Other”/Anarchist: 9
  • Christian: 2
  • Shinto and Jewish: 1 each

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/118691.html

Maybe that's why people think terror = Islam. ;)
 
If I was to lose my job and have to claim unemployment benifit I would do so in the knowledge that my parents and their parents and many generations before that have been paying taxes in this country for centuries and so I would feel entitiled to receive it, the same cannot be said for someone new entering this country and holding their hand out.

Depends how they enter the country. Tell any newly arrived Pole to go try their luck down the dole/housing office. They'd be laughed out of the building. The thing is, red top and other newspaper sources have made people incredibly stupid and lazy. Under certain parts of the population it's a non-questionable 110% believe that every foreigner coming into this country get given a flat, money and easy citizenship. 'Yes guv, I read it ina Sun didnt I?' The fact of the matter is, there is good reasons you read about Eastern Europeans sharing 5 a room. Unless a catastrophe happens to them, they get F-all. Now if you talk about asylum seekers, it's a different story.
 
Muslims make up 20% of the world’s population, their involvement in over 50% of the world’s terrrorist groups is telling and troubling.

  • Islamic: 64
  • Secular nationalist: 36
  • Marxist/Maoist: 13
  • “Other”/Anarchist: 9
  • Christian: 2
  • Shinto and Jewish: 1 each

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/118691.html

Maybe that's why people think terror = Islam. ;)

Yeah cos all terrorists register themselves on the terrorist database. It doesn't have to be about groups or even any kind of ideology, just a nutter intent on scaring people. definition is important here.
 
Muslims make up 20% of the world’s population, their involvement in over 50% of the world’s terrrorist groups is telling and troubling.

  • Islamic: 64
  • Secular nationalist: 36
  • Marxist/Maoist: 13
  • “Other”/Anarchist: 9
  • Christian: 2
  • Shinto and Jewish: 1 each

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/118691.html

Maybe that's why people think terror = Islam. ;)

Or alternatively, a sign that they form lots of little groups rather than a few big ones, or regularly change the names of the ones they have to try and get round name based bans...

BTW you might want to find a less biased link. For a start there aren't enough christian terror organisations on the list...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

And their 'other/anarchist' section is also too low, take a look at this section on communist terrorist groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_terrorism

And this list of racially based terror groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_violence

We can also look at the list of terrorist activities and work out which groups actually committed most of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents
 
Or alternatively, a sign that they form lots of little groups rather than a few big ones, or regularly change the names of the ones they have to try and get round name based bans...



And their 'other/anarchist' section is also too low, take a look at this section on communist terrorist groups.


And this list of racially based terror groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_violence

We can also look at the list of terrorist activities and work out which groups actually committed most of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents


citations for those threads please ;)

EDIT= Oh it does say "This article does not cite any references or sources."

In other words made up :)
 
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Without citing that you don't want the wrong colour/religion people entering the country can anyone explain to me what would be wrong with a points based immigration system which it seems almost certain we'll get in the next few years?

Where do the people who think it's all gone to pot think the problem lies?

Immigration from outside the EU seems to be reasonably strict, there does seem to be a bit of an issue with controlling asylum seekers, genuine or bogus, upto the point of them having residency approved/denied (although this might be less of an issue than shows like border patrol etc make it out to be).

Immigration from the EU has only presented itself as a problem because of Poland joining the EU, I'm not sure anyone particularly noticed it before, but it's brought pros and cons in it's prevalence.

Does anyone know why we're not signing up to http://www.bluecardeu.co.uk/
 
Inappropriate immigration policies can have negative effects (and there is some evidence that we have let in too many people who do not have a net positive economic impact) on a variety of aspects.
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Which is what i wrote in an earlier post about having an entrance exam/test which basically acts as a filter. But I agree with you.
 
If that were true, which it isn't, I wouldn't be opposed to mass immigration of whites from places like Eastern Europe, which I am.

Hi Dirtydog... White or Black has nothing to do with racism, that is a common misconception among society today. Eastern Europeans whoever they may be are in their own right a race, as are us Brits.
 
Hi Dirtydog... White or Black has nothing to do with racism, that is a common misconception among society today. Eastern Europeans whoever they may be are in their own right a race, as are us Brits.

In your opinion, which I think most people can see is completely wrong.
 
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