'No scan, no flight'

meghatronic said:
Then we're back on the same page - my entire point was it wasn't AT ALL for passenger safety. It is to line people's pockets. The Airline industry, the technologists and the insurance companies (I guess?). Plus bit of healthy fear for the government too.
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But it;s not for the frankly insane an paranoid theories people have started bandying about :/
 
Tefal said:
It's a ****oing cable how secure do you think your internet is?

Yeah I mean think of it people all over the world could see your unrecognisable image!

Do you wear a burka to stop the common scum in the streets seeing you?
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They don't see my genitals. Or breast implants if I had them. Or my fat rolls.

And nothing is secure. If someone wants to intercept this... well they already have. And could form about a hundred different places in even more ways. Even closed systems aren't secure.
 
Tefal said:
But it;s not for the frankly insane an paranoid theories people have started bandying about :/
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I apologise for being emotive, but it's the idiocy of the it that frustrates me. Plus I'm aghast at how willing people are to roll over.

Morgoth said:
I think widespread use would be deterred by the prohibitive cost of the machines.
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For now...
 
What a waste of time and money. :/

They're not able to scan anything you may have inserted either. Furthermore, I wouldn't want to be unnecessarily irradiated either.

Sod it, I'm going to get a surface to air missle and shoot a plane down from the ground, since I can't do it from the plane. Much easier and less messy and final.
 
Security measures get increased people find it overbearing and invasive.

They don't increase measures and something bad happens and then they get chastised for not doing enough.

It's always going to be a lose - lose situation.
 
Nate--IRL-- said:
Would you still feel the same when this begins to be used outside airports?
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To stop violence and the such, sure.
I was on Jury Duty the other week and I had to go through a metal detector each day on entering the court.
I've had to go through a metal detector before getting on a train platform, and having a patdown.

They do these to stop violence, this is good. I'm glad that the police are stopping people (based on profiling, in the train example - I was a 18 year old male) and ensuring they aren't carrying knives.

Doesn't matter if it's a scanner or a metal detector, just a matter of cost and available funds.
 
Freefaller said:
What a waste of time and money. :/


Sod it, I'm going to get a surface to air missle and shoot a plane down from the ground, since I can't do it from the plane. Much easier.
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Exactly. What about fanatical pilots? Or other air staff? A mechanic that tampers? Air traffic controller (I don't know if this is possible)? There are far more easier ways than to hijack on the plane.
 
meghatronic said:
They don't see my genitals. Or breast implants if I had them. Or my fat rolls.
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Unless you wear a poncho we can see your fat rolls mate.

And nothing is secure. If someone wants to intercept this... well they already have. And could form about a hundred different places in even more ways. Even closed systems aren't secure.
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But why would they?

Great we've stolen a bunch of unrecognisable ghost images which have the net worth of my arse hair.



meghatronic said:
I apologise for being emotive, but it's the idiocy of the it that frustrates me.
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Yep, saving yourself money, protecting your property and future business is idiocy :/




Plus I'm aghast at how willing people are to roll over.
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Yet you will roll over won't you!

You will whine and complain on the internet, down the pub and to anybody willing to listen but come the day you need a flight and they ask you to step through the thing you will.
 
Eeeer, they are providing you a non-vital service. It is entirely up to the companies / Gvt who flies and who doesn't. If they want to be more secure (regardless of how much you could argue it is or isn't) that is their option. You don't like it? You don't fly. Why is that so hard to digest?

It's like being searched before entering a night club. If you don't like it, you don't go in. They don't care either way, and why should they?
 
Freefaller said:
Sod it, I'm going to get a surface to air missle and shoot a plane down from the ground, since I can't do it from the plane. Much easier and less messy and final.
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Quite difficult to get a reliable surface to air missile capable of hitting a jet into Britain/America.

hell even in Iraq they haven't managed to shoot down any of the commercial jets that brought troops in.
 
Tefal said:
You will whine and complain on the internet, down the pub and to anybody willing to listen but come the day you need a flight and they ask you to step through the thing you will.
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I have little choice, I'm being held ransom. But I now wont fly to Europe.
 
Ahleckz said:
To stop violence and the such, sure.
I was on Jury Duty the other week and I had to go through a metal detector each day on entering the court.
I've had to go through a metal detector before getting on a train platform, and having a patdown.

They do these to stop violence, this is good. I'm glad that the police are stopping people (based on profiling, in the train example - I was a 18 year old male) and ensuring they aren't carrying knives.

Doesn't matter if it's a scanner or a metal detector, just a matter of cost and available funds.
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And when it is used by private companies, for their own security purposes, not yours? Who is going to regulate this?

Nate
 
Not thrilled about a stranger essentially seeing everything, but not too bothered, and if it helps to stop the deaths of innocents I suppose it's worth it.
 
meghatronic said:
Exactly. What about fanatical pilots? Or other air staff? A mechanic that tampers? Air traffic controller (I don't know if this is possible)? There are far more easier ways than to hijack on the plane.
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None of them get the same "omg we're ****ed " publicity which you sort of need for a terror campaign.

That and they require long term investment so they'd be a good 10 or so years off, and it's hard to keep someone living in a western country that ****ed up for that long.
 
Nate--IRL-- said:
And when it is used by private companies, for their own security purposes, not yours? Who is going to regulate this?

Nate
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err that is who and what it's being used for...

You will regulate it.

Don't want to be scanned?

Use another company that doesn't scan.
 
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