The Passat of Love
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How are they not? Sit in one of each, of equivalent trim levels, and they look and feel very similar for 99% of the time. They're both mass produced German saloons, not as different as the owners would like you to believe.
If you understood this you wouldnt have bought a boring GT, so boring in fact i didnt even notice it was a petrol !
Your blatently not a petrolhead if you cant understand the difference. But then, a petrolhead would have bought the GTI, so that would be about right.
It's a petrol, MrLOL. And what excites me about motoring is not buying a tacky chav mobile that I couldn't afford to maintain, yet weirdly replacing it with another time bomb money pit. Maybe your Mrs. will let you keep this one.
What does excite you about motoring out of interest?
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Have you ever driven either of them?
If I could get the same ownership experience from a Passat diesel do you not think I'd have bought one
Why didnt you buy a Skoda then? Because hey, both a Golf and an Octavia..
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Quite a difference between an E46 and B5.5 Passat, build quality goes marginally in the BMW favour, quality of some plastics goes in the BMW's favour, design goes in the BMW's favour .
But the biggest kicker is how they both drive, the E46 is so far ahead of the Passat when driving down a country road it’s painful.
But then again what did you expect, the BMW cost significantly more when new.
But the biggest kicker is how they both drive, the E46 is so far ahead of the Passat when driving down a country road it’s painful.
But then again what did you expect, the BMW cost significantly more when new.
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It seems that you cannot understand the difference between a petrol and a diesel, which makes you even less of a petrol head. I've even written TSi in my sig!
Short term ownership of unreliable rice mobiles with large engines that I cannot afford to run.
[TW]Fox;15873084 said:If I could get the same ownership experience from a Passat diesel do you not think I'd have bought one
No, because VW means 'people's car' as you so often reiterate. This alone is an excellent reason not to buy a Passat.
[TW]Fox;15873084 said:
Concerns over reliability and whether or not the same quality of manufacture was applied to both brands.
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Back on topic...
OP - did you know your photos are really bad? I hope you and Fox manage to find each other though! Have you got any better pics and pics from the interior?
OP - did you know your photos are really bad? I hope you and Fox manage to find each other though! Have you got any better pics and pics from the interior?
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What's this? Robbie G putting words into peoples mouths, just so that he can take the polar opposite view and vehemently defend a nonsensical point? I don't who could possible have seen that coming!
OP, your pics are rubbish but I've learnt more about photography in rubbish light in the past ten minutes than I had ever before.
Passats are dull... blah... blah... (BMW drivers code of conduct forces me to say this I'm afraid).
OP, your pics are rubbish but I've learnt more about photography in rubbish light in the past ten minutes than I had ever before.
Passats are dull... blah... blah... (BMW drivers code of conduct forces me to say this I'm afraid).
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Passats are dull... blah... blah... (BMW drivers code of conduct forces me to say this I'm afraid).
They are, look a this Passat's interior. Urgh!
Uh-oh, you've done it now.
Prepare for photographs of an interior from a 1998 318...
Maybe one day, if you ditch the obsession with having the latest numberplate (How is life holding up for you now your car is just an 09 plate? Ouch, how.. used car) you could live your petrolhead dream again and have a nice Golf GTI.
I was more thinking I didn't buy the Passat because it doesnt handle, it isn't built as well, it isnt as good as a long distance tool, it doesnt look as good, its nowhere near as quick, the engine is nowhere near as good and it bored me to tears but... yea, we can say its the badge if you'd prefer.
You think a Skoda is less reliable than a VW?
There are far, far more similarities between Skoda and VW than BMW and VW you know..
F3.5, 1/3 of a second, ISO 100, 18mm D70
I think I did quite well as opposed to your superior kit
How have you modified your D70 to enable ISO100, as standard the lowest is ISO200?
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e36 is early 90's car though...and isn't as minging.
I actually prefer mid-early Jap and French to that Passat interior. D:
Whats with the aversion to answering the question seriously.
I'll say again, what do you actually enjoy about motoring ?
Allthough a chav mobile with a great engine, i loved every minute driving it and dearly missed it. i had a great 18 months with it and dont regret a single moment of driving it. I had some really great memorable drives in it, and the noise of the V6 and the grunt from the 400 lb/ft of torque was amazing.
Wouldnt have had it any other way.
Its because i enjoy driving unreliable rice mobiles with large engines that i couldnt afford to run but ran for as long as i could just to enjoy it that makes me a petrol head.
The fact you cant answer the question seriously and instead have to make derogatory remarks shows you have something to hide. Why cant you answer the question ?
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[TW]Fox;15875457 said:
Yeah, I do.
What derogatory remarks? I think you'll find you commented on my car in an attempted derogatory fashion before I commentated on yours
.Part of what I enjoy about motoring is being in a car that I can relax and be comfortable in, safe in the knowledge that it probably won't go pop and even if it does, it's still covered by warranty. No matter how great a car is, I wouldn't enjoy ownership if I was constantly aware that I was too poor to be able to maintain it and that at any second it could go bang, meaning a forced sale.
Enormous grunt and torques are wonderful but, for so much of the time on UK roads, totally pointless. How much time do we spend on roads chock full of speed cameras, or tailing someone doing 40 in a 60 at which point you overtake and within five seconds come across someone else doing exactly the same? Even on the motorway, you're being fairly brave doing 80mph and that's if the roads even allow you to get to that speed. My 40mpg 158PS hatchback suits me just fine at the moment. Plenty of pace for overtaking and relaxing and efficient when it has to be. Safe, boring, reliable, but not a pain in the balls. Also we hardly do any miles, so a big mile muncher would be a bit pointless.
Whilst I could probably manage to run and maintain a V6 rocket ricer, it's just not me to drive around in some vulgar Max Power ticking bomb and I would gain zero satisfaction from beating the nearest Saxo away from the lights.
Anyway, if I could pinpoint a specific scenario under which I enjoy motoring the most, it'd be zooming around country lanes in a pocket rocket with the top down, which is why I'm looking for a decent Elise near to me as a second car. So far I've only ever had that experience from driving other people's cars.
PS I don't think running a car you love that you can't afford to run particularly makes you a petrol head. Or are you saying that only people with V6 engines or above can be classed as petrol heads?
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It looks quite similar to the Leon/A3 of the same era and they hardly ever get slated to the same extent. For truely awful interiors, we should be pointing fingers at Volvos, Saabs and Jag's S Type. They really do take some 'getting used to'. The BMW interior isn't particularly kind on the eyes either. It's square and boxy and bland. But it's ergonomic and well put together.
I do understand that the BMW wins hands down as a driving machine, and is more comfortable, but I don't unstand the scathing comments bestowed upon the Passat. I just can't imagine that it's that bad. The only real test on here seems to have been Merlin's boggo diesel. It's like writing off the e46 as under-specced, over-priced and unreliable because the 316i ES is pants.
What derogatory remarks? I think you'll find you commented on my car in an attempted derogatory fashion before I commentated on yours
Part of what I enjoy about motoring is being in a car that I can relax and be comfortable in, safe in the knowledge that it probably won't go pop and even if it does, it's still covered by warranty. No matter how great a car is, I wouldn't enjoy ownership if I was constantly aware that I was too poor to be able to maintain it and that at any second it could go bang, meaning a forced sale.
*snip*
PS I don't think running a car you love that you can't afford to run particularly makes you a petrol head. Or are you saying that only people with V6 engines or above can be classed as petrol heads?
I'm saying that if you're more worried about financial matters, and reliability etc.. then your not a petrolhead.
Petrolheads dont give a damn about how often it throws up a bill, or how often it goes to the garage, what matters is how it feels when you drive.
If you take the defeatist attitude that you cant enjoy driving a fast car because the roads are too clogged and theres speed cameras yada yada *yawn*
your just trying hard enough.
After all, the Golf GT is the sensible decision, a petrolhead wouldnt have taken the sensible option, and gone for the GTI.
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Yeah, I do.
What derogatory remarks? I think you'll find you commented on my car in an attempted derogatory fashion before I commentated on yours
Part of what I enjoy about motoring is being in a car that I can relax and be comfortable in, safe in the knowledge that it probably won't go pop and even if it does, it's still covered by warranty. No matter how great a car is, I wouldn't enjoy ownership if I was constantly aware that I was too poor to be able to maintain it and that at any second it could go bang, meaning a forced sale.
Enormous grunt and torques are wonderful but, for so much of the time on UK roads, totally pointless. How much time do we spend on roads chock full of speed cameras, or tailing someone doing 40 in a 60 at which point you overtake and within five seconds come across someone else doing exactly the same? Even on the motorway, you're being fairly brave doing 80mph and that's if the roads even allow you to get to that speed. My 40mpg 158PS hatchback suits me just fine at the moment. Plenty of pace for overtaking and relaxing and efficient when it has to be. Safe, boring, reliable, but not a pain in the balls. Also we hardly do any miles, so a big mile muncher would be a bit pointless.
Whilst I could probably manage to run and maintain a V6 rocket ricer, it's just not me to drive around in some vulgar Max Power ticking bomb and I would gain zero satisfaction from beating the nearest Saxo away from the lights.
Anyway, if I could pinpoint a specific scenario under which I enjoy motoring the most, it'd be zooming around country lanes in a pocket rocket with the top down, which is why I'm looking for a decent Elise near to me as a second car. So far I've only ever had that experience from driving other people's cars.
PS I don't think running a car you love that you can't afford to run particularly makes you a petrol head. Or are you saying that only people with V6 engines or above can be classed as petrol heads?
Spoken like a true anti-petrolhead.
Why do you view the Motors section exactly?
It's for car enthusiasts and clearly you are out of place.