9/11 Third Tower mystery "solved".

[Glaucus]

That's pancake not free fall. As I keep on tell you free fall is when NOTHING IS THERE TO STOP IT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_fall

We don't have equipment to tell us the exact speed of building.
It was very close to free fall speed. It does not have to happen like you say. Why not read the reports which you are still refusing to. Even after a year or what ever it was from the last time we did this.

The structure is all linked to each other. Which is why you have a slow fall speed to begin with. It buckles collums ahead of the collapse wave as you would expect. Which means for part of teh fall there is basically no resistence. Until it starts piling up at the bottom due to debris. If part of the building moves at the top. It is going to buckle and snap securing points much further down. It is not pancaking.

 

[andymanis]

This do ya?

a plane that size, that low at that speed would not of just hit a lampost it would have ripped that taxi right off the ground... but theres no report about that. and as for those pictures, thats great but what about the one from above which shows the whole front lawn of the pentagon and no sign of any wings or a tail... oh yeah because it all disintegrated apparently, which happened a lot during the day.

 

[Cyanide]

a plane that size, that low at that speed would not of just hit a lampost it would have ripped that taxi right off the ground... but theres no report about that. and as for those pictures, thats great but what about the one from above which shows the whole front lawn of the pentagon and no sign of any wings or a tail... oh yeah because it all disintegrated apparently, which happened a lot during the day.

You do know what they keep in the wings of planes, right?

 

[Tefal]

a plane that size, that low at that speed would not of just hit a lampost it would have ripped that taxi right off the ground..

how would the plane have ripped the taxi from the ground?

also experimental or theoretic evidence of this?



But come on then what happened to the plane and all the people on it then?

 

[kylew]

I find it incredulous for the whole day - everything went off like a meticulous military drill - not your typical terrorist attack. I'm not gonna start on about how its a conspiracy - the logistics are immense but not insurmountable - but I certainly think its silly to close minded refuse to believe there could be anything but the face value to what happened.

Then add that in to the bizarre operation northwoods document and you REALLY can't blame people for thinking otherwise.

Regardless of what happened, I don't think many people can serious say that there's nothing a bit "iffy" about the whole situation.

You can't take it all at face value as there are inconsistencies that the US government seem to want to cover up.

People like Acidhell2 believe what the authorities way too much, when if you think about it is logically flawed anyway.

IF the authorities were behind it and they don't want you to know that, of course they're going to do their best to make out like it was how they want it to look.

 

[Glaucus]

a plane that size, that low at that speed would not of just hit a lampost it would have ripped that taxi right off the ground... but theres no report about that. and as for those pictures, thats great but what about the one from above which shows the whole front lawn of the pentagon and no sign of any wings or a tail... oh yeah because it all disintegrated apparently, which happened a lot during the day.

Why would the taxi be ripped apart.

There is photos of the plane above.

Did you see tefals post of the jet plane slammed into a reinforced concrete wall and what happened to it. Surprise surprise it disintegrated.

People like Acidhell2 believe what the authorities way too much, when if you

how is it flawed. I have showen many times how loose change and the like our fundamentally flawed. You have not yet shown how anything in nist report is flawed. But I know rather than trying to put a decent argument together lets just slate people.

 

[deuse]

We don't have equipment to tell us the exact speed of building.
It was very close to free fall speed. It does not have to happen like you say. Why not read the reports which you are still refusing to. Even after a year or what ever it was from the last time we did this.

The structure is all linked to each other. Which is why you have a slow fall speed to begin with. It buckles collums ahead of the collapse wave as you would expect. Which means for part of teh fall there is basically no resistence. Until it starts piling up at the bottom due to debris. If part of the building moves at the top. It is going to buckle and snap securing points much further down. It is not pancaking.

Acid the building went straight down not left\right\forward\backward.

In all the vids in went straight down in a neat pile.


I done here.

The bigger the lie the more people will believe it

 

[RDM]

Did you see tefals post of the jet plane slammed into a reinforced concrete wall and what happened to it. Surprise surprise it disintegrated.

Yes but that was a plane crash into a reinforced wall, why would the heart of the most powerful military machine in the world have a reinforced wall? Ludicrous I tell you!

 

[andymanis]

how would the plane have ripped the taxi from the ground?

also experimental or theoretic evidence of this?



But come on then what happened to the plane and all the people on it then?

ive enjoyed this debate but im done and off for dinner ill let you carry on trying to disprove every little piece. to finish tho.... if they took a plane whats harder;

a) redirect it, land it, kill everyone on board and strip it down and tell people it crashed into the pentagon.

or

b) try and sell the theory that bin ladens goons acquired a jet, evaded detection and started firing missiles at the pentagon.

 

[kylew]

Why would the taxi be ripped apart.

There is photos of the plane above.

Did you see tefals post of the jet plane slammed into a reinforced concrete wall and what happened to it. Surprise surprise it disintegrated.



how is it flawed. I have showen many times how loose change and the like our fundamentally flawed. You have not yet shown how anything in nist report is flawed. But I know rather than trying to put a decent argument together lets just slate people.

Yes, I Just slated you and said absolutely nothing else.

How about, instead of selectively quoting me, quote my whole post and don't focus on the part where I mentioned you.

I mentioned you because I and evidently others, think that you appear to only listen to the "authorities" which is flawed logic if the authorities are the ones trying to deceive you, however you just look like you can't respond to that, so instead just have a whinge about how I'm slating you.

Go you, 10 points.

 

[Tefal]

ive enjoyed this debate but im done and off for dinner ill let you carry on trying to disprove every little piece. to finish tho.... if they took a plane whats harder;

a) redirect it, land it, kill everyone on board and strip it down and tell people it crashed into the pentagon.

or

b) try and sell the theory that bin ladens goons acquired a jet, evaded detection and started firing missiles at the pentagon.

why not just crash it into the pentagon :/

When did the officials say that it was missiles

 

[Glaucus]

Acid the building went straight down not left\right\forward\backward.

In all the vids in went straight down in a neat pile.


I done here.

Why does that mean structures were not weakened ahead of the fall. it does not. It also fell one side first. Watch teh video it's only a fraction of a second but it is clearly there.

 

[Glaucus]

b) try and sell the theory that bin ladens goons acquired a jet, evaded detection and started firing missiles at the pentagon.

What missiles

 

[Cyanide]

What missiles

lol, that's "shot down" his arguement

Sorry

 

[kylew]

Why does that mean structures were not weekened ahead of the fall. it does not.

They set a precedent. Steel framed buildings prior to that day were known to twist and deform due to fire.

There are steel framed buildings that burned for weeks without collapsing.

The collapse was WAY too uniform for any sort of "accident".

Whether or not you want to believe in "conspiracies" you can't deny that 3 buildings collapsing so neatly for what was supposed to be a terrorist attack is impossible.

As I said, 911 set a precedent for steel framed buildings.

 

[kylew]

What missiles

You really need to stop with the selective quoting.

 

[Glaucus]

They set a precedent. Steel framed buildings prior to that day were known to twist and deform due to fire.

Madrid tower. burnt and fell in a shorter time.

WTC1 or was it 2 also leaned over substantially before going down.

 

[Nitefly]

Does anybody here actually work with demolitions?

 

[Glaucus]

You really need to stop with the selective quoting.

why, I included the whole line. Why include missiles in that line.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

they had to collect all the video and pictures that showed missiles and fake the planes on tv.

Stop trolling.
What about all the 100s of mobile phone videos and normal videos of the second plane hitting?
Are you saying that EVERY missile on one of these films were magically turned into planes?

while we are on teh topic of "conspiracy theories" how about i tell you we have never been to the moon and that it is NOW scientificly proven that it is impossible that man has ever been to the moon ?

Can you please tell me why Russia accepted America going to the moon?
Can you please tell me what my Grandad was following all the way to the moon on his Ham Radio?