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Fermi delayed till May

drunkenmaster said:
My word, it hasn't changed in months, hmm, you've been saying its not late, for months, as in not late at all. As in, for 2 months you've been saying it was always schedualed for a late Q1 release. Now you're just slipping in the current date hasn't changed in months, change, to me, signifies........ a CHANGE in release date. They had one date, missed it and announced another date, a LATER date.

But again you are convinced its not late and again you're trying to somehow come across as being one of the few to always know it was coming out in April/may, being that you only started saying that a month, maybe two ago, when everyone on the planet (bar the last few Nvidia fanboys) knew that.
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I haven't always been entirely clear - but I've been saying for months that its not actually late until it actually misses the March/April release - never mind if its a headline release - aslong as there are cards in the wild - or actually general available.

I've also said several times that although release looks to be on target for March/April a number of partners have said they don't expect cards before May - which is where I got that it could potentially slip to may from.
 
Damn DM, if those comments are true nVidia will need every trick up their collective sleeves for the launch! Personally I hope it's not that bad (for competitions sake if nothing else!) but I'm not confident at all
 
drunkenmaster said:
both huge power hogs, apparently running 70C IDLE with 2d clocks, with 70% fan speed.
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I find that a little hard to believe - if its true I'm deff. avoiding - the mean time to failure of that process at a minimum 70C 24x7 would be about 18 months - would be another reason why they've had to go for low voltages.
 
I got a feeling it is not far from the truth,very rarely you see nvidia this quiet, if it is true it is a lot worst then i thought so,as i thought it would be about 20% to 25% faster then a 5870.
 
queamin said:
I got a feeling it is not far from the truth,very rarely you see nvidia this quiet, if it is true it is a lot worst then i thought so,as i thought it would be about 20% to 25% faster then a 5870.
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In other times I could imagine them being silent if they had something truly staggering... but with the ATI 5 series dominating their normal market I can't see them staying quiet if they had anything to offer. But they do have an announcement on monday so who knows. I'd rather have liked to think I'd have heard something down the grapevine by now tho if it was solid positive news.
 
Well semi confirms my gut feeling that fermi is not going to be anything really worth considering unless your a complete nvidia diehard. It is a little hard to believe they could screw up so badly but seeing how the management have been acting for a while i guess that explains it. Not good news at all and bang goes any chance of decent 5xxx price cuts because if this is true they don't need to alter a damn thing.
 
RizlaKing said:
Well semi confirms my gut feeling that fermi is not going to be anything really worth considering unless your a complete nvidia diehard. It is a little hard to believe they could screw up so badly but seeing how the management have been acting for a while i guess that explains it. Not good news at all and bang goes any chance of decent 5xxx price cuts because if this is true they don't need to alter a damn thing.
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It'll still be well worth considering for CUDA even if it is not as fast as it shuld have been, most of the benefits there are in the architecture not so much the raw clockspeed. But i agree if you're buying as a gaming card it will be very dissapointing if it's only 5% faster than a 5870.

Still we'll have to keep waiting (and waiting lol) for proper benchmarks, there might be a few surprises waiting.
 
drunkenmaster said:
ANyway, the latest news is BAD, the 480gtx being between 600-625mhz and 1200mhz shaders, instead of the planned 750/1500mhz, its going to be 25% slower instantly that it should be. The 470gtx similar but 448 shaders(no idea if there will be any availability of the 512 shader one), both huge power hogs, apparently running 70C IDLE with 2d clocks, with 70% fan speed. Which isn't an issue of course(fan speed wise) if the fan is quite at 70% speed, if it was an AMD fan that would drive us all insane.

Likewise in GAMES the 480gtx is said to be marginally faster, 5% only, bar a few sythetic benchmarks. It also seems set that Nvidia will do a similar release to a few previous ones, with a VERY strict benchmarking rule book, ie certain games at specific settings, and only sites that are willing to follow precisely will get cards. Anand and Kyle got left out of previous launches for not following the rules and showing cards to not be as good as Nvidia said they were.

Considering the supposed heat, and power output of a card that can barely outperform a 5870, overclocking the thing you'd imagine, would be almost non existant, meaning a 5870 overclocked, will whip it quite easily. Meaning a 5890 type card looks set to easily retain fastest single core for AMD, all the while making a load of profit on every card sold, while Nvidia takes a loss selling a more expensive card thats slower. Ouch.
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Wow! This post is a must read for anyone following the ATI vs. Nvidia war. Very good post, drunkenmaster! :D
 
JediFragger said:
Damn DM, if those comments are true nVidia will need every trick up their collective sleeves for the launch! Personally I hope it's not that bad (for competitions sake if nothing else!) but I'm not confident at all
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Will the Fermi launch rival those of the PlayStation 3 and the Sega Dreamcast as the worst ever for a major piece of gaming hardware? :eek:
 
Here's hoping Charlie's either wrong or talking out his bumhole.

Whichever company's prodcuts you prefer, domination by either is a lose for all customers.

I strongly prefer nVidia, but if nVidia gets left behind I will switch again. Though if AMD dominate for too long, it will be like the 8800GTX all over again. Great card, but no progress and prices left sky-high.
 
Martini1991 said:
Dreamcast was in no way the worst.
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*Goes off to play such greats as Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur and Typing on the Dead :p*

Fermi will either be:

:D Good release (like 8 series)
:confused: Bad/mediocre release (like FX series)
:( Oh dear, what went wrong (à la 3DFX)
 
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Prof. Cheese said:
Larabee is only supposed to be GTX 280 level if I recall. Tbh, not even sure if it's still being released.
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The original spec was... by the time it was actually working hardware it was barely competitive with the 7800GTX... unfortunatly no matter how good the hardware or how much money they chuck at it intel simply won't succeed in this area without a massive shift in approach and mindset.
 
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