Caporegime
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I wonder why Fox doesnt reply to your posts anymore.EDIT - Turns out he does!
Wind noise etc is part of the DESIGN, not build quality. Whether you think they are 'quality' materials or not is PERCEPTION. Marketeers and journalists refer to it as build quality because thats what the common public believe what the definition of quality is.
Now if you came along and said that there's wind noise due to panel gaps etc, that occur in some of the cars and not others. THAT is a failure in build quality.
Love it.
If you were wondering, then you care a lot more than I do!
Build quality covers different areas. There is no generally recognised definition of build quality. Most that do exist are sufficiently vague that they can incorporate several factors, such as the quality and extent of the materials used and the quality of the workmanship in installing said materials, as well as the reliability of the product. You have your definition and I have mine, neither of us can reasonably fabricate a very specific definition to fit in with our own argument. However, to say that the level of road noise in a car bears no relation to some aspect of its build quality, is probably the most bizarre thing I've ever read on this sub-forum.
Design and build quality are inherently intertwined. They are not entirely separate factors. Good design allows for good build quality, good build quality follows good design.
One definition I found that I agree with:
"Build quality is not an easily or objectively defined concept but it refers, generally speaking, to how well designed and constructed the product actually is from a subjective point of view. This includes factors such as reliability, sturdiness, fit and finish (if the product appears smoothly made and polished or is rough and ready), quality of materials and so on."
Taken from here. Granted, not the ultimate authority on the definition of build quality, but as sensible a definition as any other I found.
If the quality of the materials is high, then it can be said, in my view, that this fulfilment of the design criteria contributes towards a higher level of build quality.
[TW]Fox;16073853 said:
No, the road noise depends on a car's fulfilment or otherwise of the design brief, not the design brief itself. Without the quality and quantity of sound deadening materials required to reduce road noise, a car cannot fill its design brief if part of that brief was for the road noise to be low. I can brief a brilliant car but build it terribly, not securing the deadening properly, not using enough dampening, not using the right quality of materials.
By your ethos, I could write a design brief that the car must have very low cabin noise, thereby automatically defining the car as having a low level of cabin noise, even if the execution of the brief was poor and it ended up sounding like a 747 on takeoff.
@Fox - You ruined the panache of my opening statement!
I wouldn't worry about that
.cymatty, I'm not sure that you brought anything insightful to the discussion there. My argument is that build quality would determine the extent to which those noisier tyres increased road noise.
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