The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[Biohazard]

Well by that token then, go ahead and show me someone that can trace back their pure line to the indigenous people of Britain.

While your there tell me who exactly this group of people are.

No one has claimed or said as such, so no. And if you are about to come out with some 'yes you did', at least quote the text please. It makes these arguments a hell of a lot easier.

I'll reiterate my point, at some point in time all of us were immigrants, to discriminate based on that status is wholly wrong.

Agreed, in fact I've already said as much to you in this thread:

Not really, there were indigenous people. Historically, the first 'colonizers' if you will.

Your the one trying to do some crazy highland fling to not look like you were wrong, so I know what game you are playing.

 

[Biohazard]

however the relevance of us being an island is that we only have a limited number of roads, houses, factories and jobs.

No, thats got nothing to do with being an island. Its got everything to do with being a geographically limited small country. Luxembourg as a silly example..

 

[SkodaMart]

Well by that token then, go ahead and show me someone that can trace back their pure line to the indigenous people of Britain.

I'm not really sure what part of my statement is factually incorrect, as the first humans to settle the UK where immigrants.

I'll reiterate my point, at some point in time all of us were immigrants, to discriminate based on that status is wholly wrong.

By what token? I said that the BNP wanted to return this countries population to the way it was after the 2nd world war.

I said nothing about discrimination. I said why did we let so many foreign people into this country?

 

[SkodaMart]

No, thats got nothing to do with being an island. Its got everything to do with being a geographically limited small country. Luxembourg as a silly example..

OK I won't say that we are an island anymore I will say that we are a geographically limited small country if that pleases you. The point is the same.

 

[semi-pro waster]

The reason is, because the BNP actually now has a 'decent' following (ie numbers), so theyre scared...end of basically. They finally have to bring up this act to try and get rid of them.

Quite funny really

Perhaps it's because 'the Establishment' is scared but equally it might be that it was simply not worth taking action against what is still a relatively fringe group - what is the point of prosecuting a group who are too small to be worthy of any note? Unfortunately in a perverse way actions such as this legitimise the BNP as it suggests they have reached a level where they merit consideration.

I still believe that the BNP receive a level of coverage that is massively disproportionate to their influence and ability as suggested by their policies but that's by the bye really.

hmm, 80,000 views and 5,000 replies in a BNP thread. That can't look good from the outside

And to discover that the majority don't support the BNP they've only got to read 60+ pages.

 

[Biohazard]

OK I won't say that we are an island anymore I will say that we are a geographically limited small country if that pleases you. The point is the same.

The point is, but saying its because we are an island is slightly off the mark thats all.

 

[SkodaMart]

@Biohazard, answer the question I asked "why did the Labour government open the doors to immigration?"

How was that in anyway going to improve this country for anyone?

arguing over the relevance of us being a graphically limited country or an island is just splitting hairs.

 

[Biohazard]

By definition the 'first colonizers' were immigrants, and not British. So regardless of the fact my initial post was clearly not referring to this group of people (rather current/modern inhabitants of the UK, as was made clear by the quote I included, and was replying to) it is not factually incorrect, given your love for pedantry.

No thats fine, least you can see it now.

Its so easy to be a pendant amongst inept obtuse writers.



I think its important in discussion, not less political, that those who are incorrect are corrected. Even if the argument comes down to the sematics of one statement or sentence - it can leave people with the wrong impression.

This is of course assuming that the theory that Homo Sapiens orginated in East Africa - and subsequently branched out - is correct.

Makes sense to me from what I've read and watched, and it is the forerunner theory.

I'm sure griffin loves his african roots.

 

[SkodaMart]

@Skoda, I wasn't making any reference to your posts.

No problem!

Arguing over what an indigenous Brit is won't take us anywhere.

(however I did see a recent programme that sugested that Homo-Sapiens and Neanderthals actually interbred)

 

[Biohazard]

(however I did see a recent programme that sugested that Homo-Sapiens and Neanderthals actually interbred)

On eden?

I took the complete opposite from it, as there IS NO evidence what so ever in the human genome that this took place.

 

[SkodaMart]

IMMIGRATION – time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.


I dont see anything racist there, it is just good common sense.

 

[Dolph]

IMMIGRATION – time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.


I dont see anything racist there, it is just good common sense.

The BNP are very good at trying to present a respectable face, hence why the main discrimination is in the party constitution rather than the outward policies...

What would be my 'ethnic origin' if one of my grandparents was black? I'm not a member of the BNP's accepted racial groups by their definition...

 

[RDM]

I dont see anything racist there, it is just good common sense.

Whilst not overtly racist I would question that it was "just good common sense". If the white man is so discriminated against how come by almost every measureable metric he is still so far ahead?

 

[SkodaMart]

1) Total ban on immigration.
2) Deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants
3) Voluntary resettlement
4) Clamp down on bogus asylum seekers

@Dolph you should be OK if one of your grandparents was black as you wouldn't be an immigrant?

I really can't see the problem.

 

[Dolph]

1) Total ban on immigration.
2) Deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants
3) Voluntary resettlement
4) Clamp down on bogus asylum seekers

1) Great way to do severe damage to our economy.
2) This is fine
3) Why, what benefit does this offer the UK?
4) Fine with me.

@Dolph you should be OK if one of your granparents was black as you wouldn't be an immigrant?

I really can't see the problem.

Then you haven't read the BNP's site (including their constitution) in full...

 

[Biohazard]

Congratulations, I never thought it was possible to come across quite that smug in a forum post, but well done - Have a cookie.



Are you suggesting I was not already aware of the point I had been making?

You have misunderstood/misquoted my original post taking it completely out of context. Subsequently posting a statement that essentially agrees with the post outside of the context for which I originally intended it. Finally calling me inept and obtuse. Bravo.

You obviously don't know me then.

I never once misquoted your original post - you are accusing me of fabricating my case against you and that is pathetic.

You said it was historically impossible, and it isn't. I'm sorry, even if traveling people the first people to arrive here would become the indigenous people.

It doesn't matter about 'context of discussion' as you were passing that one sentence as fact. I don't care how you were using it to further your argument and whatever context you want it heard it. I read the post you replied to, as with the rest of the thread, and your opinion came out as fact.

 

[SkodaMart]

I think the policys of the BNP are spot on however I am afraid that the political front hides the darker far right extremist.

I really do think that we need proportional representation in this country, it won't ever be a true democracy until we do.