New CPU for video/photo editing

Big.Wayne · 17 Mar 2010 at 17:27

Just needs someone to do a cheap-as-possible Core i7 spec now . . . inc cooler, shipping, GPU etc . . .

Then a whole bunch of relevant benchmark results need to be analysed, probably 20 sets should do it, from different sources, number crunched, price-performance ratio determined . . . . if all that is done then the result will resemble some kind of "fact" which will help distinguish "Truth" from "Falsehood"

I know there are lots of "Smart" people out there, hopefully some of them have time to help with some data analysis here!

P.S: Pay no attention to anyone making rude or obnoxious posts, if you want to contribute to this thread in a postive and useful way then post up if you think the specs provided so far are reasonable? . . . simple, polite, calm discussion :cool:

Big Bang · 17 Mar 2010 at 21:26

Thanks for the help guys.

Its a semi-rebuild I'm going to do. I will pretty much buy everything barring the case (an Antec 430W). I'll also need a new graphics card too as its an AGP. I have a 1TB drive, so drive capacity is not an issue.

My budget will between £300-£500.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 17 Mar 2010 at 21:35

The Phenom II X6 is being released next month AFAIK:

http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-to-launch-phenom-ii-x6-processor-april-26th/

Perhaps if you can wait it would be useful to see how well it will perform in video editing tasks when compared to a Core i7.

eddiew · 17 Mar 2010 at 22:09

Big Bang said:
My budget will between £300-£500.

No no, your budget is £503.17

We know you'll tweak it up in the end.

I would offer the advice that if you're coming from a rig that's 2-3 years old (or maybe more if you have AGP graphics?), then anything within that price range will feel blisteringly fast by comparison, and you can avoid getting too caught up in the heated debate about which CPU is 3% faster at application X

*edit* Though the 6-core AMDs mentioned above do sound tasty

Big.Wayne · 17 Mar 2010 at 22:15

P4 socket 478 was kicking it in 2003 to early 2004 when it was OutModed by Athlon 64 . . .

PhoenixUK · 18 Mar 2010 at 15:52

Pneumonic said:
Big Bang I guess to summarise this thread for you:

For £250.13 you can get the following:

If you decide to go i5 the following (I have gone with the flawless specification),gets you a comparable specification to the AM3 one, i.e. the addition of a cooler for the CPU and a comparable graphics card as the AM3 MB has on-board:

So the difference based on like for like features is around: £140.00 ish

The i5 set-up will perform better than the AM3, you also have the option of buying a cheaper or more expensive GPU.. although if you don't seriously game the AM3 on board and the one in the i5 spec are more than adequate.

It may be that neither specification is suitable If we could have a budget or a budget range and an idea on software to be used.. I am sure that a better recommendation could be given.

Well said, however, I'd get diff cooler, the freezer aint much better than the stock regarding temps, only abit more silent but then he isn't going to OC the i5 much with this and therefore it goes to waste a bit!

Big.Wayne · 18 Mar 2010 at 16:02

If you stick with the stock cooler on the i5 bundle the price drops about £13 so bring the total down to £375 ish . . . I don't know if someone needs anything more than the retail cooler if running @ stock?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 18 Mar 2010 at 16:06

BTW,the RAM listed in the Core i5 750 components list has only been tested on socket 775 DDR3 motherboards:

http://www.patriotmem.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=5&catid=41&prodgroupid=119&id=832&type=1

Big.Wayne · 18 Mar 2010 at 16:15

The Core i5-750 spec has been done by someone else Cat, we did ask for verification but were told simply it was "Flawless" . . . "Nothing wrong with it" . . . and it was "Beyond debate" . . . . sadly no Intel experts critiqued the build so as always it will be the O.P who "may" suffer as a consequence . . .

PhoenixUK · 18 Mar 2010 at 16:25

Big.Wayne said:
If you stick with the stock cooler on the i5 bundle the price drops about £13 so bring the total down to £375 ish . . . I don't know if someone needs anything more than the retail cooler if running @ stock?

Running i3/i5/i7 at stock is a sin.
Could just as well go with the athlon then ...

Big.Wayne · 18 Mar 2010 at 16:59

PhoenixUK, I'm not in any way, form or shaped involved with the intel systems specc'ed in this thread, all I have done is take a spec someone suggest as the best, noticed there was no cooler or shipping added so did a nice graphic for the O.P that included these basic costs. . . then Pneumonic selected a basic GPU so the machine would actually work . . . so in short we took a "rushed" broken spec and did the bare minimum to repair it so that it resembled something the O.P may want to spend his money on . . . .

easyrider · 18 Mar 2010 at 17:02

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
BTW,the RAM listed in the Core i5 750 components list has only been tested on socket 775 DDR3 motherboards:

http://www.patriotmem.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=5&catid=41&prodgroupid=119&id=832&type=1

If its that worrying then I'm sure the OP could raise the extra 4 quid for the Geil.

There is no reason why the Patriot would not be fine for that mobo I suggested.

easyrider · 18 Mar 2010 at 17:08

Big.Wayne said:
The Core i5-750 spec has been done by someone else Cat, we did ask for verification but were told simply it was "Flawless" . . . "Nothing wrong with it" . . . and it was "Beyond debate" . . . . sadly no Intel experts critiqued the build so as always it will be the O.P who "may" suffer as a consequence . . .

The only way the OP would suffer was to spend 250 on that AMD build.

The i5 is the clear choice.

The benchies,cost, (within op's Budget),speed all fall in the i5's favour.

easyrider · 18 Mar 2010 at 17:10

Big.Wayne said:
PhoenixUK, I'm not in any way, form or shaped involved with the intel systems specc'ed in this thread, all I have done is take a spec someone suggest as the best, noticed there was no cooler or shipping added so did a nice graphic for the O.P that included these basic costs. . . then Pneumonic selected a basic GPU so the machine would actually work . . . so in short we took a "rushed" broken spec and did the bare minimum to repair it so that it resembled something the O.P may want to spend his money on . . . .

This cooler would handle the 750 @ 4ghz fine

Zalman CNPS9300-AT CPU Cooler with i5 Bracket (Socket 754/939/940/AM2/LGA775/LGA1156)

Click image to enlarge

£11.98 inc VAT

Big.Wayne · 18 Mar 2010 at 17:15

To everyone else, I would say be vigilant for anyone who practices Argumentum ad nauseam on these forums, that means someone who repeats "incorrect" information, again and again and again again (ad nauseam), the effect of this is to "mislead" the novice readers into thinking something is the truth . . . . It's expected the repitition alone to substitute for "Truth"

As an example of this strange "ad nauseam" technique witness in this very thread how two reasonably sensible posters have been "duped" into repeating what is in essence a "Falsehood" or indeed a "Fantasy"

buttkinz said:
for the extra 50 quid if he could afford it over the athlon build id take an i5 anyday,

feeddagoat said:
I think the point is, is the extra speed of the i5 for £50 more in photoediting and video encoding

feeddagoat said:
The £50 save by going with the athlon could be reinvested into another 4gb ram

easyrider · 18 Mar 2010 at 17:20

I think someone needs to update their images.

The mobo I suggested is

Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H Intel H55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 microATX Motherboard [GA-H55M-S2H]

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£67.99 inc VAT

NOT 74.99 like Big wayne has in his out of date pic.

If we are being petty over 4 quid difference between the Patriot and the Geil then at least get your pricing correct

Just looked the Geil is now 1.99 more expensive than the Patriot

Big.Wayne · 18 Mar 2010 at 18:12

[Off Topic]

P.S: welcome back PhoenixUK . . . I saw you being bundled off by some Forum-Cops a few days ago? . . . . what happened?

PhoenixUK · 18 Mar 2010 at 18:16

easyrider said:
This cooler would handle the 750 @ 4ghz fine

Zalman CNPS9300-AT CPU Cooler with i5 Bracket (Socket 754/939/940/AM2/LGA775/LGA1156)

Click image to enlarge

£11.98 inc VAT

I don't think so, unless you like running your CPUs at nearly boiling/frying temps.
This cooler isn't made with high OCs in mind but more as a quieter replacement to stock cooler. Consider that the OP won't have great case either. If he tries to run i5 750 @ 4ghz with this, he's gonna fry it sooner or later.

wannabedamned · 18 Mar 2010 at 18:20

PhoenixUK said:
Running i3/i5/i7 at stock is a sin.
Could just as well go with the athlon then ...

...Dont be silly. The I5 750 thats been mentioned in this thread out performs the spec'd AMD at stock. By quite a notable margin, Yes it costs extra, but to someone doing video and photo editing, it'll be worth the extra. Well actually thats for the OP to decide isnt it.

The benchmarks are within this very thread, so to say "could just as well go with the athlon" Its obvious you dont know the performance differences. And if you do know them it would be an idea to be clearer to the OP, who may take what you said to mean that the I5 spec'd in this thread performs the same as the AMD.

Big.Wayne · 18 Mar 2010 at 18:28

Hey PhoenixUK,

I thought you made some good observations in this thread

buttkinz said:
heres a comparision with the fastest althlon ii 635 VS an I5 750, the i5 is sometimes nearly 3x faster in some tests

PhoenixUK said:
It's nowhere 2-3x faster

You then went on to say this which I totally missed, it's a great point and I can't believe I didn't say it myself!

PhoenixUK said:
It's also minimum of 25% more expensive on cheapest spec and 100% more just for CPU

You saying the above "inspired" me to quickly knock this up! . . . keep the facts as "accurate as possible though, it's only 95% more expensive for the processor!